HENNE NOW!

[Dphins4me]

I don't think that b/c Marino did it that all QBs can.  We've seen 13 guys try and fail since Marino, so I'd have to be dumb to believe that Marino was the norm.  He was truly exceptional, but that's not the point.  The point was that we have to find out what we have.  We are re-building, which I think means finding out what we have at various positions.  Let Henne become a leader for Ginn, Wilford, Brown, the young O-line, etc. so that he's not the only unproven guy in 2-3 years when we're good enough for him to play (and take his growing pains then).  I don't think that Henne would be a guaranteed success this season or next, but I do think that the fact that we can cite both QBs that have been thrown into the fire immediately AND some that sat on the bench and waited their turn as guys who succeeded and failed than we know that there is no surefire method for success.  The only way to know what you have is to play them and see them in competitive meaningful games. 

First off.  Its a rarity that rookies lead.   Second this is the same mentality that ended up putting Beck in far before he was ready.  Not sure how long you think some think Henne should sit ( 2-3 ).  Let he sit this year, take your lumps, have another draft & FA period then insert him into the starting lineup & let him lead.

Also, people act like because he was a second round pick and not a first that he's not a big investment.  Ask GM's in the league how highly a 2nd round pick is regarded.  Look at what people get in return when they trade 2nd rounders.  Look at what people get when they trade late round picks.  Moss went for a 4th rounder.  Marino was a couple of picks away from being a second rounder.  Second round picks are high value picks, so it is worth finding out what they are.  We are playing (or did play) Long, Merling, Ginn, Allen, Brown, and Roth.  They are all 1st and 2nd rounders.  The whole point is here that since we're willing to re-build at all these positions, we should not be so reticent to do it at QB.

  QB is the hardest position in football to learn.  Henne is the future, we all know that.  However, let him learn by watching & picking the spots to put him in where he most likely will have success.  Against prevent D & lesser teams late in the Yr.  Miami is not going to win this year, so why rush him.   You are not going to find out what you have with him regardless of how he performs.  Just like with Beck.  He is still in the growing/learning process of the NFL.

Be patience with Henne.

[phishphan]

I said in an earlier post that I don't think he should come in until Week 10.  The schedule really softens up at that point.

[Sunstroke]

I'd like to ask you to look at todays stats for Alex Smith (thrown to the wolves) and Aaron Rodgers (sitting, waiting, watching).

Alex Smith isn't actually playing this season... That aside, you should know better than to point at one game's stats to prove this type of broad premise, because you run the risk of some devil's advocate saying:

"I'd like to ask you to look at today's stats for Peyton Manning (thrown to the wolves) and Chad Pennington (sitting, waiting, watching)."

[Phishfan]

I'm not sure if THIS seasons record would be different with Henne in there right now, or if he's even got the potential to be a long term answer, but the Rodgers v. Smith comparison can paint a bit of a skewed picture...I can think of a few QB's who were high picks that started frequently in their rookie seasons and turned out all right...

Marino, D.
Manning, P.
Manning, E.
Roethlisberger, B.
McNabb, D.

...so if you admit that CP isn't the answer maybe a plan to bring Henne in from week 10 on forward would be a worthwhile investment, especially if we aren't winning at that point.  Also, b/c I'm sure someone will ask, week 10 @ home vs. Seattle (given up 30+ points each game), week 11 @ home vs. Oakland, week 12 @ home vs. NE (rough), week 13 @ StL.  Week 10 gives him a little while to get acclimated and then sets him up against 3 weak defenses in his first 4 games.

I want to go on record that this is not me, although I like this guy's posts. Just don't go adding a WV logo to your profile.

[Philly Fin Fan]

Alex Smith isn't actually playing this season... That aside, you should know better than to point at one game's stats to prove this type of broad premise, because you run the risk of some devil's advocate saying:

I know Alex Smith isn't playing this season. And I was pointing that out more than the stats. That was kind of my point. He was thrown to the wolves and has sucked balls, and lost his job to a guy signed to be the 3rd string QB!


edited for typos...

[fyo]

It's interesting to compare Alex Smith to Aaron Rodgers. Everyone agreed (including the current Packers HC) that Smith was the better player out of college - and the player with the more potential. Smith was thrown to the wolves on a BAD team with a new system every year. Rodgers sat for 3 years and when he was asked to step up it was for a solid team with a solid line and some great receivers.

We'll never know if Smith could have been successful if given a situation like that of Rodgers (hell, Smith is only 24... someone might be willing to spend a few years "repairing" him to serve as backup, only for injuries to bite and give him another chance at bat).

What we do know is that, on average, first day quarterbacks that start in their first year have significantly worse careers than those who sit their first year. It's always possible to find the exceptions, but it's worth noting that nearly ALL exceptions have been quarterbacks that were asked to play for a good team.

Ask yourself this: Are the Miami Dolphins a good team, simply being hampered by inept quarterbacking? If so, it MIGHT be worth it to push Henne out early. If not, Henne should ride the pine.

[Philly Fin Fan]

It's interesting to compare Alex Smith to Aaron Rodgers. Everyone agreed (including the current Packers HC) that Smith was the better player out of college - and the player with the more potential. Smith was thrown to the wolves on a BAD team with a new system every year. Rodgers sat for 3 years and when he was asked to step up it was for a solid team with a solid line and some great receivers.

We'll never know if Smith could have been successful if given a situation like that of Rodgers (hell, Smith is only 24... someone might be willing to spend a few years "repairing" him to serve as backup, only for injuries to bite and give him another chance at bat).

What we do know is that, on average, first day quarterbacks that start in their first year have significantly worse careers than those who sit their first year. It's always possible to find the exceptions, but it's worth noting that nearly ALL exceptions have been quarterbacks that were asked to play for a good team.

Ask yourself this: Are the Miami Dolphins a good team, simply being hampered by inept quarterbacking? If so, it MIGHT be worth it to push Henne out early. If not, Henne should ride the pine.

Thank you. Finally someone see's the point I was trying to make!

[Sunstroke]

It's interesting to compare Alex Smith to Aaron Rodgers. Everyone agreed (including the current Packers HC) that Smith was the better player out of college - and the player with the more potential.

Except those of us who lit candles and held prayer vigils for SF to draft "anyone" other than Alex Smith. Alex was a WAC conference fluke with small hands who only knew how to play out of the shotgun. Ask any of the locals, and they'll tell you that I was not a happy camper for a long time after that draft.

[bsfins]

I just think...Hmm David Carr with the Houston Texans...