Dolphins cut rookie tailback Jalen Parmele

[fyo]

Err nice your list is from August 15 2007....

My point was general. I could have used a list from 1990, had I found one.

Did we really Think that our 6th round pick was going to be our starting right Guard? no we got lucky it worked for a week..till he got hurt....

I think this is where you and I fundamentally disagree on drafting. You appear to believe that we should take a chance on our positions of greatest need, whereas I tend to believe that we should take whomever we think has the best chance of making the team - even if that's a position we already have covered. When you're that deep in the draft (and that's what we're talking about here), I really do think you need to go 100% for potential and hope the guys doing the evaluating are good.

[bsfins]

Yeah a geaneral point that went no where..you failed to realize that 3 of the 6 top Db's in our roster our from the 5th 6th,and 7th round right now....

Err yeah 6 running backs on your roster,and no one to block for them....Having the best running backs in the wolrd doesn't do you any good if you don't have anyone to block for them....

O Line is still a thin postion...

Ask Matt Millen about drafting to make your Team.....and failing to address your needs....

[fyo]

Ask Matt Millen about drafting to make your Team.....and failing to address your needs....

In terms of "started games compared to league average", Millen's biggest failure was second day picks, not the first-day blunders we remember him for.

Yeah a geaneral point that went no where..you failed to realize that 3 of the 6 top Db's in our roster our from the 5th 6th,and 7th round right now....

Just because you did not grasp it does not mean I did not make my point.

I started by asking you where you would have gone DB. Would you really have used one of our top picks on that? If so, fine, hindsight is 20/20 and even though I'm exceptionally happy with the players we go there, it's not unreasonable to argue that spending one of those picks on a DB would have been the better move at the time. I'm trying to understand if that's what YOU wanted, hence my opening question (which you, in true Internet-debate style, completely neglected to address).

Note also that I never claimed our DB situation isn't in (dire) need of improvement. I think it is. I just don't believe the odds were ever good that a low pick would have improved our situation. As my, admittedly sparse, research hinted, it seems like you need to spend a top pick on a DB to get a top player - UNLIKE most other positions, where there are plenty of low picks among the best.

That was my point. Getting a DB in the latter rounds would have been futile, so I applaud the team for going with whomever they thought were the players most likely to contribute and not just picking a DB for "show".

[bsfins]

No you dribbled on about No players drafted in the 4th round or later ever become top ten players....Then made a bunch of assumptions....

You don't need top ten Defensive backs in the league....Sometimes you need quality depth,and role players,that might develop into something....

Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?

But then again you're wanting to debate every But,Shoulda,woulda Coulda....Without looking at where we were at,at the time of the draft...

[fyo]

No you dribbled on about No players drafted in the 4th round or later ever become top ten players....Then made a bunch of assumptions....

You don't need top ten Defensive backs in the league....Sometimes you need quality depth,and role players,that might develop into something....

You're making assumptions based on NOTHING. I made assumptions based on a little research. Now, I'll be the first to admit that my research wasn't anywhere near exhaustive, but it did reveal one interesting thing:

Had we picked a DB with our 4th round pick, it would have been the 22nd DB to come off the board!

That's where we were at the time of that pick. I don't know if 2008 saw an extraordinary run on DBs for that many to be chosen so early, but regardless, there is no other position where so many players were picked. Even if you do have a need, you don't go to well you damn well KNOW is dry, or at least no more than filled with mud. You go for the well that might hold some water, even if it's not exactly what you need the most. We're such a bad team, that our needs would always exceed our ability to draft them in 2008.

Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?

But then again you're wanting to debate every But,Shoulda,woulda Coulda....Without looking at where we were at,at the time of the draft...

I think you're mistaking my posts for some by a guy called "Lil B" who the one wanting to debate every little woulda coulda shoulda without looking at where we were at the time of the draft.

As for taking a flyer in the 6th or 7th, I disagree for the previously stated reasons. It SOUNDS like a good idea and it would LOOK like management was at least trying to address the position. However, the odds of finding a good DB that late in the game are ridiculously low compared to the odds of finding a good lineman, running back or even quarterback.

[Rick]

You don't need top ten Defensive backs in the league....Sometimes you need quality depth,and role players,that might develop into something....

Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?

But then again you're wanting to debate every But,Shoulda,woulda Coulda....Without looking at where we were at,at the time of the draft...

  Lets look at where we were at the time of the draft at the RB position....Ricky Williams ( I love the guy), one bong hit away from not playing this season or ever again...Ronnie Brown, coming off of Major reconstructive knee surgery....we did not know when he would be 100% (also Ronnie has never played 16 games in the NFL)...Patrick Cobbs, has not proven to be an every down NFL back in case Ricky or Ronnie couldn't play for some reason....drafting RBs was not a bad move at that point in the draft

  We are rebuilding and had a GREAT first draft under Mr. Parcells/Mr. Ireland/Coach Sparano....you guys are expecting WAY to much from just 1 draft.

[bsfins]

You're making assumptions based on NOTHING. I made assumptions based on a little research. Now, I'll be the first to admit that my research wasn't anywhere near exhaustive, but it did reveal one interesting thing:

Had we picked a DB with our 4th round pick, it would have been the 22nd DB to come off the board!

That's where we were at the time of that pick. I don't know if 2008 saw an extraordinary run on DBs for that many to be chosen so early, but regardless, there is no other position where so many players were picked. Even if you do have a need, you don't go to well you damn well KNOW is dry, or at least no more than filled with mud. You go for the well that might hold some water, even if it's not exactly what you need the most. We're such a bad team, that our needs would always exceed our ability to draft them in 2008.

Do you just like seeing yourself type? Research? no your opinion...Because you Believe we can't get someone, because of the ODDS.  

SO the FUCK WHAT IF IT WAS THE 22nd Corner off the Board?  

All B.S. assumption....Shoulda woulda coulda type shit I was talking about.....Same with the majority of your last 2 posts......We were talking about this in April before,and During the Draft..Not 4 games into the regular season..All your "research" is B.S. Because it's hindsight, it's September almost October

The whole Point...Back in April....It was a postition we needed an upgrade at...
Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?


Whatever Dude....
Why don't you go study some more Catch percentages,from a obscure websites that doesn't watch football......See where that gets you.....


And hey Rick....I already too those into an account....But then again..You still need lineman to block for them too....I better make this crystal clear..(so we don't get 4 paragraph B.S. Assumption,on something that they can't read) The RB's TEND to be easier to find off the scrap heap to fill in...(even though we didn't know this then) as of right now yyou have guy's like Cedric Benson ans Shawn Alexander still free agents...Eddie George was picked up by Dallas While Bill Parcells was there....Bill Knows that..

[fyo]

Take Flyer with a 6th,or 7th round pick.....Is all I wanted rather than taking the Extra Running back...Is that so hard to figure out?

No, your position is not hard to figure out. It's just stupid and I've tried to point that out. I'm not talking coulda woulda shoulda, despite what you may think. I based my comments SOLELY on what was available when we were deciding whom to pick with our fourth rounder. If you can't wrap your head around that, sorry, not my problem.

[bsfins]

Stupid really?  attacking something I said in April of 2008,while looking at the team in April 2008...Based on info That was going on during the draft..and all the shit research that you've presented is From September....And is hindsight after seeing 4 preseason games,and 3 regular season games...Is stupid...Wow Amaizing..FYO....Amazing....

[Philly Fin Fan]

Lets keep it civil please....

[fyo]

Lil B, I initially responded to your post of 26 September. In this post you expressed the opinion that you still feel the team should have taken at least one DB:

"I still think, regardless of the plans, it was a bad move not to take at least one secondary guy...."

I simply responded by explaining that I'm surprised you feel this way and wondering what draft slot you would have used. I didn't know if you felt we should have used a second round pick or a late second day pick and was simply curious to know. As it turns out, we go lucky (or so I think) with our top picks, but that is hindsight and is not relevant, as you say (and that has been my opinion all along as well). What is relevant is whether we should have, given the situation in the draft, with only the information known at that time, taken a DB. If so, at what point?

At no point did I suggest we shouldn't have drafted a DB, because we got Donald Thomas or whatever with our pick. No, my conclusion, based on looking up the information available at the time, is how many DBs were taken already at that point. I also wanted to gain some small bit of insight into what positions are best to address late in the draft. Clearly, not all positions are the same and it might be much more probable to find a good guy at one position as opposed to another. Now, I didn't want to spend weeks researching the topic, but from what little I did dig up, it seemed that DB was a bad position to try and address with a late pick.

Additionally, as mentioned, even early in the fourth round, a massive 21 DBs had already gone off the board when it was our turn. That makes it seem "stupid" (my word, which you appeared to object to) to go there again with so many needs. I honestly feel that we, as a team, need to get as many quality players as we can. Just going for a specific position, well, that's actually Matt Millen-esque.

[run_to_win]

On day two a team needs to be looking for best player available, someone who can make the team regardless of any position. 

Even drafting for need on day 1 can result in Eric Kumerows and Eddie Moores.