If Palin "steps down" (e.g. is Fired), can McCain still win?

[bsmooth]

Ahhh, the prestige of a Northern Idaho/Matanuska-Susitna education. How can a mere Harvard Law man hope to defeat that sort of matriculation...

Shoosh with the hate.

[Fau Teixeira]

it's not hatred to think that someone is woefully incompetent and unqualified for a job .. it's reality ..

i wouldn't vote palin for school superintendent with her record and policies .. much less VP

[Frimp]

I am just kidding when I am jabbing about hate. I just think its hilarious to see all the celebrities, MSM, and every left wing pundit flying off the handle about Sarah Palin. They all call her stupid, and come up with outrageous stories about her. My point is this: If she's so stupid, why all the hostility toward her?

From Fau:

it's not hatred to think that someone is woefully incompetent and unqualified for a job .. it's reality ..

I agree 100% with you. I feel that way about Obama, but you don't see the McCain/Palin supporters concocting slanderous stories and defaming Obama's families. We don't agree with him, and we don't want him to be president, but at the same time, we respect him enough to let him hang himself. Why can't the Obama supporters do the same if they are so convinced that she's such an idiot?
 

[Sunstroke]

Shoosh with the hate.

I would paint the pope as a 3-legged man-whore if the mere thought provided me with an inner chuckle...and you think I'm going to lay off a political candidate? Really?

Sarcasm, irreverence...yes. Hate...no sir.

[simeon]

I would paint the pope as a 3-legged man-whore if the mere thought provided me with an inner chuckle...and you think I'm going to lay off a political candidate? Really?

Sarcasm, irreverence...yes. Hate...no sir.

Boy some of the stuff coming out of your keyboard, is darn right scary.

[Sunstroke]

Boy some of the stuff coming out of your keyboard, is darn right scary.  

Honestly, it's the shit I never let come out of the keyboard that would probably scare the crap out of you... I explore and embrace both ends of mankind's duality-reality with equal appreciation. uh oh...I feel a poem coming on.

Cliffs are for lemmings
Blinders are for horses
Horizons stretch on every side
I plot a thousand courses

BTW... the department of colloquialisms asked me to mention that, in your quoted post, "downright scary" was the phrase you were probably after.

[Dave Gray]

I agree 100% with you. I feel that way about Obama, but you don't see the McCain/Palin supporters concocting slanderous stories and defaming Obama's families.

I would beg to differ, for several reasons.  The stuff dealing with Palin's family is related to her conflicting political views.  Both sides are using it to their advantage.  The fact that she birthed a handicapped kid showed her dedication to the pro-life movement, as some say.  At the same time, her "no birth control" policies didn't seem to have worked in her own family.

Also, the right absolutely did go after flaws in Obama's family.  Remember the month long bickering about Michelle Obama not being proud of her country? 

It's just that Obama has been properly vetted by the American public, and all this stuff (Reverand Wright, Patriotism, Drug Use, etc) has been slowly trickled out over the last 2 years.  Palin just entered the game, and quite frankly, she's giving her opposition a lot to work with.

We don't agree with him, and we don't want him to be president, but at the same time, we respect him enough to let him hang himself. Why can't the Obama supporters do the same if they are so convinced that she's such an idiot?

That's just not true.  Obama isn't hanging himself at all.  McCain is doing everything he can (and rightfully so) to insert politics at every turn to gain an advantage.  Whenever the campaign comes back to issues, Obama gets a huge bump.  Whenever it gets to bickering (lipstick on pigs, sexism, patriotism) McCain gets a bump.

I honestly think that Palin is utterly dangerous to have as a Vice President, and that the selection of her completely throws McCain's "Country First" tagline out the window.  I know that choosing a VP has a lot to do with politics, but you can't seriously think that she's qualified to run the country.

[Frimp]

I don't think that Obama is ready to run the country. And, I didn't say that he will definately hang himself. I said that I'd have enough respect to let him hang himself. If he doesn't, that's fine. I won't like it, but its fine. I'm not going to make jokes that he's having sex with his daughters, and I'm not going to make up stories about affairs, or anything else. If he wins, it will be because he won the election. That's good enough for me.

And, the things that are being used against Palin..the fact that she didn't kill the special needs baby is pathetic. I wonder how many Democrat mayors, govorners, senators, reps, etc have special needs kids. I'd also bet that there are many pro choice families who have teenage kids who got pregnant and chose to have the baby rather than kill it.

[Dave Gray]

..the fact that she didn't kill the special needs baby is pathetic. I wonder how many Democrat mayors, govorners, senators, reps, etc have special needs kids. I'd also bet that there are many pro choice families who have teenage kids who got pregnant and chose to have the baby rather than kill it.

I was using that as one of her perceived positives...that she practices what she preaches.  It wasn't a knock on her.

[Frimp]

I was using that as one of her perceived positives...that she practices what she preaches.  It wasn't a knock on her.

Oh...

[Buddhagirl]

Frimp, people have made up stories about Obama, too. The problem is that they've already been proven not true. People are always going to be slanderous. The attacks on his wife were completely ridiculous.

I do think Palin will hang herself. In the meantime, I think the woman is stupid. Not because I don't agree with her, but because she brings nothing to the table. I don't agree with McCain and his policies, but I don't think he's stupid. Same with most of the other Republicans. I don't like Condeleeza Rice, but I know that woman is far from stupid and have a great deal of respect for her. Palin is not even on the same playing field as someone like Rice.

[bsmooth]

The one thing buried about the Palin thing is this. The men McCain's age have a 33% chance of dying before their next birthday, and this is going to keep going up each year, plus you have to combine this with the fact he has had a harse life that took a huge toll on his body.
This means Palin has a better chance of becoming president through succession than Biden does.

[Frimp]

The one thing buried about the Palin thing is this. The men McCain's age have a 33% chance of dying before their next birthday, and this is going to keep going up each year, plus you have to combine this with the fact he has had a harse life that took a huge toll on his body.
This means Palin has a better chance of becoming president through succession than Biden does.

What I don't get is why you feel she is unqualified. She was a mayor and a governor. Governors and mayors are held much more accountable for their actions and mistakes. Senators and represenatives are not for the most part, unless they do something really stupid, and even then, they find ways to get around it.. Look at the current crisis. Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Ronald Reagan were all governors, and they all served 2 terms as president. (Whether or not you think they were good or bad presidents isn't the point, and I'm not going to get into a who was a better president debate.)

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

[Dave Gray]

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

Gladly.  I've watched all of her interviews and I don't think she understands the first thing about the challenges that she will face as a potential president.  She doesn't have even a basic understanding of constitutional law, foreign affairs, or global economic policy.  When she answers questions, I don't even fault her having the wrong answers, I fault her for not understanding the questions.  I don't feel that she understands the pros and cons to any of the positions that she's being told to take.

It's not because she's a governor.  Like you said, many presidents have been governors.  But those presidents spent the last year or two before stepping into office preparing, learning the issues, debating and defending their stances, forming positions, etc.  ...and then the electorate, through that election process, decided whether or not these candidates were appropriate for the job.

Palin has not been through that process.  She's been hand-picked and thrown into a situation that's totally out of her league.

[Buddhagirl]

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

From watching interviews with her, it's apparent that this woman doesn't have a firm grip on economic issues, the war, or foreign policy. She knows Alaska. Period.

Have you watched any of these interviews? They're sad and embarrasing. I actually felt bad for her. That's pretty bad since I HATE the woman. Now it's coming out that there's more of the interview that they're not showing to keep from embarrasing her. Apparently she can't name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade. And she'll be one heart beat away from presidency? Does she even know what constitutional law is?