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« Reply #75 on: September 30, 2008, 08:40:37 am »

Sarah...can't.....resist....Palin....don't do it...is....the....reason...oh, God I can't help myself...WE INVADED IRAQ!
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« Reply #76 on: September 30, 2008, 09:12:45 am »

I just want to say that, believe it or not, this thread has the most replies to any thread that I have ever started.

Couple of comments:

1. Obama is NOT ready to run this country. NEITHER is McCain, Palin, Biden, Rudy Guliani, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Oprah, or Dr. Phil. None of them have EVER been the US President before! (Wait...I think Oprah may have been for a few weeks sometime in 2003...). You can't really bitch about someone's level of readiness or experience when they have zero experience going in - I wish that someone in Obama-world would say this about McCain.

2. Sarah Palin is still an Alaskan Moron. I heard someone in class last night saying that Palin told someone that because Russian aircraft flies over the Alaskan skies, that this gives her experience in foreign affairs with Russia. PLEASE for the love of CHRIST, someone tell me that I mis-heard this.

3. Yes, I hate women, if that's a surprise for you, where the F have you been the last 5 years? Hillary, while a total old bitch, is >>>>>>> more intelligent, rational, and a far more sound choice as someone's VP (or even the Presidency) than that Wasilla Whore. (No, the National Enquirer doesn't lie - she said "I Love You" to her secret love!!!!).  What about Condolezza Rice? She's black AND female - talk about a power-play.

4. While George W. Bush is an absolute retard, there's almost this likeable quality to him in a very strange way. It's like Ralphie from the Simpsons after exclaiming "Ms. Hoover, my ear hurts and my leg hurts. I've got TWO ou-ies!". Believe it or not, I'd rather have an additional 4 years of GWB than John McCain. Why? John McCain scares the shit out of me. I think this whole "Maverick", "Gun-slinger" thing will get us bombed at the nuclear level. I don't need a 73 year old out of touch old war hero getting flashbacks of WWI or the French-Indian war or whatever the hell he was in while at the White House, and make some ridiculous, altzeihmer's-driven decision about invading the Ivory Coast. This to me is far more dangerous than a president who doesn't know how to say "fool me once....", or a president that, well, screwed everything up. Yes, it can get worse. I don't need a president who still thinks the black Ford Model T is still the #1 selling car in America.
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« Reply #77 on: September 30, 2008, 10:02:19 am »

What I don't get is why you feel she is unqualified. She was a mayor and a governor. Governors and mayors are held much more accountable for their actions and mistakes. Senators and represenatives are not for the most part, unless they do something really stupid, and even then, they find ways to get around it.. Look at the current crisis. Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Ronald Reagan were all governors, and they all served 2 terms as president. (Whether or not you think they were good or bad presidents isn't the point, and I'm not going to get into a who was a better president debate.)

So, can you please give me specific reasons why you feel she is unqualified?

All of her real experience comes from running that town. She left that town in the hole finacially, and to top it off the most of the decisions concerning big issues such as public safety, fire, schools, etc, were decided by other entities. The mayor of that town is pretty much a figurehead and does not have to make big decisions.
Her brief time in the governors seat has not been big on accomplishment, and members of her own party have filed for her emails to be made available as they have a concern that she is abusing her authority ala Cheney.
Considering that she is the number 2 option if the oldest and most broken candidate ever is elected to office, her pick leaves a bad taste in your mouth. That is what a lot of people are concerned about, his age, and her lack of real experience, and not innie vs outie, but I would not expect many of the kool aid drinkers on the right to see that, it has to be pure sexism.
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« Reply #78 on: September 30, 2008, 10:19:49 am »

Sarah...can't.....resist....Palin....don't do it...is....the....reason...oh, God I can't help myself...WE INVADED IRAQ!
Ok Maine I'm calling you out on this one. Every red blooded American know's John Beck is the reason why we invaded Iraq.
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« Reply #79 on: September 30, 2008, 10:30:32 am »

Hey Jtex...Just so you can judge for yourself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQwAFobQxQ

That's the original one.(with Katie Couric).I guess there is one now,with John Mccain sitting right next to her....To make sure she doesn't say anything wrong...
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« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2008, 11:09:27 am »

I don't watch CBS for anything other than football, so I didn't see the Couric interview. As for the ABC interview with Gibson, I turned it off because he was asking questions that seemed to be specifically designed to throw her off, while other interviews he does, he asks sugar coated questions designed to make the person (Obama) he interviewed look good. I watched about the first 10 minutes of it. I have seen her speeches, and she looks good. I also saw the Hannity interview with her (Yes, I know thats a more than biased interview)

I'm going to wait until the debates before I rule her compitent or not. She isn't running for president. As for leadership experience, I feel the same way you do about Obama. He was a senator for less than half a year before he started running for president. The presidency does not allow for on the job training. I believe that the VP slot does.
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« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2008, 11:20:18 am »

She isn't running for president.

that's exactly what she's running for .. you don't become VP so that you will never be president .. you become VP knowing full well that tomorrow you could be the new president
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« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2008, 11:23:37 am »

She isn't running for president...

Every time I hear someone bring this up as support/disclaimer for Palin, I just shake my head. OF COURSE she is running for president. Do you think that if McCain kicks the bucket**, you will be able to say "wait a minute...I didn't vote for Palin for president!" Nope...she'd just become president without us approving jack shit.



(** According to Deathclock, McCain's bucket-kicking ceremony is waaaay overdue)

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« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2008, 11:35:22 am »

You don't think that she could learn what she needs while McCain is still alive? Nevermind...of course you don't. It almost seems like some of you are using McCain's age as a bash on Palin. It also seems like you expect him to croak a week after he is sworn in. I've got news for you...Biden could fall down a flight of stairs, and there goes Obama's teacher.
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« Reply #84 on: September 30, 2008, 11:58:14 am »

I don't watch CBS for anything other than football, so I didn't see the Couric interview. As for the ABC interview with Gibson, I turned it off because he was asking questions that seemed to be specifically designed to throw her off, while other interviews he does, he asks sugar coated questions designed to make the person (Obama) he interviewed look good. I watched about the first 10 minutes of it. I have seen her speeches, and she looks good. I also saw the Hannity interview with her (Yes, I know thats a more than biased interview)

Then How can sit here and Defend against,people that are making fun of her..When you don't know why....I'd call that hypocrtical....You don't need CBS to see the interview...Katie Couric,dumbed down the interview..and Palin Hung her own oneself....

Mccain,and Palin Both are claiming "Gotcha Journalism" ? A voter asked them a question..... Roll Eyes
Foreign policy expierence...When a Russian plane flies into Americas air space...IT flies into Alasaka....I thought Ditzy Valley Girl?
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« Reply #85 on: September 30, 2008, 12:07:17 pm »

Its not hypocrtitcal. I'm basing my opinion on what I've seen and heard. I will complete my opinion on Thursday night.

Hypocritical is people who will trash Palin's family yet scream bloody murder if someone dares to mention Obama's family.

Edited to provide a better example than I had before.
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« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2008, 12:40:23 pm »

Every time I hear someone bring this up as support/disclaimer for Palin, I just shake my head. OF COURSE she is running for president. Do you think that if McCain kicks the bucket**, you will be able to say "wait a minute...I didn't vote for Palin for president!" Nope...she'd just become president without us approving jack shit.



(** According to Deathclock, McCain's bucket-kicking ceremony is waaaay overdue)


Is this wishful thinking that McCain would kick the bucket?McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?
 Palin is not running for President, I have never known anyone vote in a Presidential election because they liked the VP choice better than the presidential choice. I like Palin and I believe she is a classy lady, but I am not casting my vote for McCain.
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« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2008, 12:45:38 pm »

Hmm you CHOSE not to watch all the Charlie Gibson interview,Because you didn't like the questions..She's running for the second highest office in this country....She shouldn't get rattled by any question,it the First interview anyone got...What was he supposed to ask? One interview you even admit it was Palin Biased....

And you don't watch CBS,and Chose not to look for the interview anywhere else...So you claim ignorance,over hypocrisy..That makes lot's of sense... Roll Eyes

Regan was 70? when he took office...in 1980 Mccain is 72 now...
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« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2008, 12:57:18 pm »

McCain is far from being the oldest person to run for President, how old was Ragan ?

McCain would be 72 when inaugurated.  Ragan (also known as Reagan) was 69.  Reagan was 77 after serving 8 years.  McCain would be 80 if he served a similar term.  Your statement that McCain is "far from being the oldest" is simply untrue.

You can't just make stuff up and then bitch about people calling you out.  If you don't want to be treated like the villiage idiot, you need to do some research before you post.    
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« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2008, 12:59:01 pm »

Hmm you CHOSE not to watch all the Charlie Gibson interview,Because you didn't like the questions..She's running for the second highest office in this country....She shouldn't get rattled by any question,it the First interview anyone got...What was he supposed to ask? One interview you even admit it was Palin Biased....

And you don't watch CBS,and Chose not to look for the interview anywhere else...So you claim ignorance,over hypocrisy..That makes lot's of sense... Roll Eyes

There's a difference between "How's your family?" (Obama) and "What's your opinion of the Bush doctrine?" (Palin)

It was ridiculous. I admitted that Hannity was a biased interview to avoid a debate about whether or not it was biased. Hannity did ask her some tough questions about the war and the economy, and she did just fine. AND, I have seen several speeches by her.

Here's a comparison of Obama's questions vs Palin's from Gibson...

Obama:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?


Palin:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

Not to mention ABC edited out parts of the interview to make her look bad.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31245_ABC_News_Hid_Important_Parts_of_Palin_Interview#rss

So, you claim I'm ignorant, and call me a hypocrite just because I don't want to see some liberal bloodhound deliberately trying to make an ass out of her? Sounds pretty ignorant of you.
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