Debate #3 Thread

[MaineDolFan]

Another priceless moment was when they were talking about special needs children.  Earlier McCain has mentioned "across the board spending freezes."  Obama mentioned special needs children and how there is an immediate need for spending and research.  Obama: "And that will be hard to do, John, if there is a spending freeze."

McCain had a "just f'n shot me now" look on his face.  He knew he'd be cornered on that one.  It was actually nice to see - a politician with a "shit!  Fuck!  He got me" acknowledgement.  Generally in these things both guys sit there with smug faces and "no way" expressions.  John was human, I thought that was okay in my book.

[Buddhagirl]

Someone please tell me this is photoshopped.



Supposedly it was after shaking hands when McCain realized he was going the wrong way. This picture is cracking my shit up.

[bsmooth]

I can't wait to see the Daily Show tonight, it out to be hilarious with their debate coverage.

[Dave Gray]

I have a pet peeve when politicians talk about autism and they don't know WTF they're talking about.  Autism is not on the rise.  There is no evidence to suggest that we have more cases of autism or that something is "causing" it.  We do, however, have increased awareness and understanding, which leads to more diagnoses.

I'm all for researching autism (or anything else) to learn more about it, but I just don't like it when you start with a mis-statement like that.

[MaineDolFan]

Autism is not on the rise. 

You're right.  However it's not incorrect to say that diagnosis of autism is on the rise.  I think you'll find we had any many cases in the 20's as we do now, we're just better equip to detect it.

[Dave Gray]

You're right.  However it's not incorrect to say that diagnosis of autism is on the rise.  I think you'll find we had any many cases in the 20's as we do now, we're just better equip to detect it.

Precisely, and all of the evidence suggests this.

But you have wackos saying that it's other things (like vaccinations) causing an increase, without scientific backing.  And somehow, the news legitimizes that stance.

[MaineDolFan]

What people fail to acknowledge is that their child showed clear signs of autism prior to vaccination shots.  My wife and I have a friend that has a little girl and both she (my wife) and I said to ourselves that she showed clear signs.  It wasn't until our friend's daughter was 3 that she finally had her tested (she wasn't talking, wouldn't interact).  To this day our friend says it's "the shots."  I don't think she's being objective because I remember the symptoms prior to those shots taking place.

[Defense54]

Just in dealing with kids in schools, or kids who commit crimes it does really seem that more kids are being dianosed with some form of Autism. Seems like almost every kid I have a problem with uses it as an excuse so they can use the title of SNS. A Special need student. It gives bad kids special privledges to get away with almost anything.

I'm also all for a cure and help and treatment, but even most SNS kids know right from wrong.

Back to the debate.......I really though Obabma made a great point when McCain accused him of not signing a bill that would help new born babies. Obabna has a way of explaining things very simply and to the point that Makes McCain just look........desperate.  I believe Obamas answer was do you really believe I would try to refuse emergency treatment to a new Born baby?  Bang.   It was over.     

But Don't diss McCain. He is not Bush. And 8-12 years ago he would have made a great President in place of GW.

[run_to_win]

Oh my ASS!  I can't stop laughing. 

This picture is cracking my shit up.

Is there any explanation for "our" collective focus on our rear ends?

[run_to_win]

Just in dealing with kids in schools, or kids who commit crimes it does really seem that more kids are being dianosed with some form of Autism. Seems like almost every kid I have a problem with uses it as an excuse so they can use the title of SNS. A Special need student. It gives bad kids special privledges to get away with almost anything.

Sad but true.  *sigh*

I believe Obamas answer was do you really believe I would try to refuse emergency treatment to a new Born baby? 

That's what his voting record shows.  What was his comment ... something about it being too much trouble to have a doctor present? 

So now unwanted babies are born perfectly healthy and left to starve to death.

[SportsChick]

Just because I'm now confused - Sarah Palin's son has Down's right? McCain kept saying Autism and I wasn't sure of the poor child was double diagnosed or he was just confusing the two

[MaineDolFan]

Yes, he has Down's.  McCain was talking about autism due to the "explosion" of cases in recent years.  He was trying to hit a hot button.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Autism is a psychological disorder that is being treated like it is a medical condition.

No drug, or vaccine is going to "cure" autism.  No gene is going to be found that is a genetic marker. 

Autism is infantile PTSD.  The only way to treat it is by changing the child's environment and treating the dysfunction that exist with the child's parents. 

Autistic children have been treated successfully by psychologist.  Or more accurately been successfully treated by treating the parents.  However, the medical community will always post-treatment claim that the initial diagnosis of autism was incorrect, because to do otherwise would defeat their claim that it is untreatable.

The parents of the formally sick child defend and support that the initial diagnosis is wrong, because in most cases what causes autism is bad parenting.  And what fixes is is better parenting.           

[CF DolFan]

Autism is a psychological disorder that is being treated like it is a medical condition.

No drug, or vaccine is going to "cure" autism.  No gene is going to be found that is a genetic marker. 

Autism is infantile PTSD.  The only way to treat it is by changing the child's environment and treating the dysfunction that exist with the child's parents. 

Autistic children have been treated successfully by psychologist.  Or more accurately been successfully treated by treating the parents.  However, the medical community will always post-treatment claim that the initial diagnosis of autism was incorrect, because to do otherwise would defeat their claim that it is untreatable.

The parents of the formally sick child defend and support that the initial diagnosis is wrong, because in most cases what causes autism is bad parenting.  And what fixes is is better parenting.           

WTF? *** shaking my head***


As for the rise in diagnosis or actually cases ... I found this on our good ole friend Wikipedia

Most recent reviews tend to estimate a prevalence of 1–2 per 1,000 for autism and close to 6 per 1,000 for ASD;[6] because of inadequate data, these numbers may underestimate ASD's true prevalence.[16] PDD-NOS cases are the vast majority of ASD, Asperger's prevalence is about 0.3 per 1,000, and the remaining ASD forms are much rarer.[121] The number of reported cases of autism increased dramatically in the 1990s and early 2000s. This increase is largely attributable to changes in diagnostic practices, referral patterns, availability of services, age at diagnosis, and public awareness,[122] though unidentified contributing environmental risk factors cannot be ruled out.[5] It is unknown whether autism's prevalence increased during the same period; a real increase would suggest directing more attention and funding toward changing environmental factors instead of continuing to focus on genetics.[51]

This would suggest that we in fact ... just don't know.

Back on topic ...

While this was the best of the debates ... I think McCain excited his core and Obama did the same with his but I can't see this debate effecting anything significantly.

I am amazed at all of the old jokes as well the bilinking etc comments.  I mean .. where have you been? The guy is old and has ticks and twitches. This is a bout as new as Obama being black.  Of course I can assume that if people are drinking every time McCain says "friends" and Obama says"the worst economy since the great depression" they may not have been able to tell. 

Also about the polls on CNN as well as some of the others ... they were admittedly taken by more democrats than republicans so I can't seriously see how they could be a reflection. No more than FOX is balanced.

[Defense54]

The biggest problem with Autism in my opinion , is that it comes in so many different levels and forms. With some its barely a handicap. others they will go bonkers at the flip of a switch. With such a large degree of difference people abuse the title instead of just dealing with what is essentially a bad kid. A kid that just needs a kick in the ass. I see it all the time when I bring little johnnie home at 3AM after breaking into all the neighbors cars . Oh I'm so sorry......its his ADD.    No. Its becuase you and your sad excuse of a partner have no idea where your Kids at and you are making excuses for the little POS.  There is no auto pilot on this Toy. You had them now take respnosibility. And if I'm not mistaken, Barack Obabma said that very same thing last night. Time to take away the video games and shut off the TV and be PARENTS.  Thats why he is getting my vote. He is in touch with what needs to be done.  As a Police officer I really feel he will make a difference.

McCain is a Good Man and of course he cares about children. But he is a bit out of touch.