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« on: October 20, 2008, 01:46:43 pm »

I have always found the theory hypothesis that man-made global warming as depicted in an inconvenient truth is a big wide load of crap.

apparently i'm not the only one:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx

when will this scare tactic go away ?
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 04:00:02 pm »


I could use a 30 year period of global cooling...no problema.

I agree as well...the whole "manmade CO2 levels is causing global warming" has always seemed like the environmental version of "if you play with yourself, you'll go blind."


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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 04:06:45 pm »

I'd love to be wrong about global warming.

However, from the evidence that I've seen, I believe that there is a link between carbon emissions and warming.  How large is the sample set that they're using saying that the world is now cooling?
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 04:09:32 pm »

Be careful guys!!! Everyone laughed at Palin when she said she didn't know what caused it or if it existed!!  Wink Grin
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 04:32:45 pm »

you know what's the most annoying part for me personally .. is when someone says the evidence for MMGW supports the theory .. when in fact that data is completely flawed ..

that hockey stick algore chart that's used by the UN is bunk and has been proven so
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 04:48:38 pm »

On a note completely unrelated to global warming, I would just like to point out that weather / short term climate is cyclical and that we're in the beginning of a ~ 10 year "cold" cycle.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 04:51:03 pm »

Is it just as simple as higher population = higher global climate? We didn't have so many people living on the planet 100 years ago or even 10 years ago. Is there a correlation between the increase in annual global temperature and the increase in annual global population?
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 11:31:29 pm »

Is it just as simple as higher population = higher global climate? We didn't have so many people living on the planet 100 years ago or even 10 years ago. Is there a correlation between the increase in annual global temperature and the increase in annual global population?

I'd bet on solar activity. I read somewhere that the entire world population could fit standing side by side in an average sized city.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 12:12:08 am »

you know what's the most annoying part for me personally .. is when someone says the evidence for MMGW supports the theory .. when in fact that data is completely flawed ..

that hockey stick algore chart that's used by the UN is bunk and has been proven so
You have to point me in the right direction. I keep having an argument with a guy at work. I'd love to have some hard facts to throw back at him.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 02:25:58 pm »

GW Scientists are pushing to put people on trial?  How'd we miss this?  I guess that's what you get when you question the source of their funding.

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Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist
The Guardian, Monday 23 June 2008

James Hansen, one of the world's leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange



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Anthropogenic Global Warming: The Greatest Fraud in History?

Posted By James Lewis On January 30, 2009 @ 12:51 am In . Column1 04, . Positioning, Blogosphere, Environment, Health, Media, Politics, Science, Science & Technology, US News | 201 Comments

Like famished swine shoving each other aside to get to the trough, self-proclaimed scientists and real politicians are again launching headline upon headline to claim yet another disaster in the name of utterly unproven global warming. Did you know that the flock of geese that flew into US Airways jet engines this month in New York City [1] were put there by global warming? And that London fogs, or rather their absence, are making [2] global warming worse?

Yep. It’s right there in the paper, Maud.

As scientific skeptics are finally discovering the courage to speak out, the [3] hype machine is faltering just a little.

But President Obama just[4] appointed a True Believer to be science czar in the White House. So we can expect the politicians to keep hammering on this little piggy bank until the last golden coin drops out. You’ll be paying for the [5] biggest false alarm in history for years to come.

But what worries me most is that the credibility of science may never recover — and perhaps it shouldn’t. Credibility has to be earned, and once it’s squandered may never be recovered. By now far too many scientists have knowingly colluded in an historic fraud, one that would put Bernie Madoff to shame. We are seeing political larceny here on a truly planetary scale.

Why should scientists who’ve gambled their own reputations on this fakery ever be trusted again? They shouldn’t. Would you entrust your life savings to Bernie Madoff? Right.

I’m not a climatologist. Like most scientists I rarely judge what others do in their fields. And yet it’s been flamingly obvious for years now that the hypothesis of human-caused global warming violates all the basic rules and safeguards that protect the integrity of normal, healthy science. That’s why AGW (anthropogenic global warming) looks like a massive fraud, [6] the biggest fraud ever in the history of science.

If that’s true, anybody who cares about science should be outraged. Even if you don’t care about that ask yourself if you want your next medical exam to be honest. Or the next time you drive across a traffic bridge, do you want the engineering tests to be falsified? If scientific corruption becomes endemic, we risk losing one of the great jewels of our culture.

So here are some fundamental violations of scientific integrity that any thoughtful person should recognize. I’m not going to touch on climatology — the case against the warming hypothesis [7] has already been made very well by experts.[7] I just want to talk scientific common sense.

Threatening the skeptics.

Scientists get seduced by enticing ideas and bits of evidence all the time. That’s why every scientist I’ve ever known is a thorough-going skeptic, even about his or her own data. Especially about one’s own data, because one’s career is on the line if it doesn’t check out. So we need skepticism in ourselves and others. Good science honors the [8] rational skeptic.

Which is why it’s beyond outrageous that AGW believers are publicly attacking thoughtful skeptics — not on the facts, but on their sheer temerity in doubting their precious orthodoxy.

According to the [9] Guardian:

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James Hansen, one of the world’s leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.

That is Stalinism; it is never, ever done in real science. Stalin shot real scientists and promoted scientific frauds who helped to kill Soviet food production. Right there we know we’re looking at political corruption and not real science.

Albert Einstein and Nils Bohr spent decades debating quantum mechanics. Neither side tried to criminalize the other. Einstein’s stubborn skepticism actually led to spectacular new findings. Skepticism turned out to be one of his [10] great gifts to the world.

Today’s public attack on skeptics should trigger loud alarm bells in the minds of scientists. It is indecent as well as dangerous.

Pop media hype.

AGW is heavily promoted through the popular media. But the pop media are utterly incompetent when it comes to any scientific or technical question. An English or journalism degree just doesn’t prepare you; nor do news editors want you to tell the truth. In the media a good story always beats out technical facts.

But in reputable science nothing is published without careful peer review, and the more spectacular the hypothesis, the more intensive the reviews are going to be. That’s why peer-reviewed journals are so vital to a healthy science, and why the constant evasion of peer review by global warming fanatics is a sign of their scientific weakness. If the evidence was solid, they would not have to run to the nearest headline-hunting journalist.

Bad data without apology.

In AGW bad data has been very widespread, and judging by past performance, it may still be endemic. Thermometers are placed in hot areas in the cities, and the data is[11] shamelessly generalized to the whole world. The infamous “hockey stick” temperature diagram [12] has been exposed. James Hansen has brought NASA to its lowest point ever by repeatedly [13] endorsing false data.

In any healthy field of science, that disastrous empirical record would have discredited the hypothesis. But while the data seems to crash periodically, the models don’t change in their catastrophism.

Read the headlines in SCIENCE magazine any week, and you can see that grinding process of doubt, clarification, and constant revision going on. In real science researchers can be forgiven for making a few errors, but not many known or suspected frauds are denied tenure or fired. They are essentially blacklisted for the rest of their careers. The process is utterly Darwinian, and it works.

Except for the global warming hype. Here, we’re supposed to accept the word of media types who know nothing about science, and care only about the [14] next big headline.

Here are seven more fundamental violations of scientific integrity in the AGW game.

1. Never confuse lab results with nature. Richard Feynman said that the physics we know is the simple part; natural physics in the real world is far too simple for [15] blind generalization.

2. In real science we never label a speculative idea to be true by fiat. Ordinary scientists would lose their reputations simply by mislabeling a wild hypothesis as the truth. They would be isolated like a cyst in the human body, blocked from spreading the infection.

2. In real science the burden of proof is always on the proposer, never on the skeptics.

3. In real science ‘data surrogates” are never accepted without long-term testing.

Until a decade or two ago we didn’t have satellites to measure global temperatures. Before that time we had to rely on very spotty and locally distorted surface thermometers, or even worse, ice core surrogates for real world temperatures. But those core samples take decades of testing and open debate before we know what they really measure. It took centuries for the mercury thermometer to be adopted. Can we really believe the story that ice cores and tree cores tell us the truth about global temperatures eons ago? I don’t know, but in a toxified field of research, I don’t trust it.

4. In real science we never smuggle untested premises into the words we use.

The very term “greenhouse gas” is an unproven assumption. Don’t even use it unless you are prepared to prove that C02 and methane actually raise world temperatures. So far the evidence doesn’t look good.

5. In real science we never corrupt the integrity of research by slanting grants toward any preconceived idea. Nor do we allow ourselves to be rushed into making huge claims without adequate testing and debate. Political deadlines mean nothing in real science.

6. In the real world, much less real science, we never, never believe politicians when they claim to know a scientific truth; they are unqualified, and they are professional liars.

Al Gore is a sick joke. The same can be said about the establishment media, and yes, even about scientist-politicians.

Scientists are as corruptible as anybody else. Good scientists do have a conscience, but it’s the double-checking mechanisms of science that makes it trustworthy. We routinely see corrupt accountants and clergy in the news, and the news business itself is deeply corrupted and untrustworthy. The question is, do you build in checks and balances? Reporters are always rushed and deadline-driven, and they always trade off their integrity against the daily pressure for headlines.

All this affects you personally. Don’t doubt that your life and mine depend upon healthy science and medicine, and yes, even on honest journalism.

7. Finally, in real science we never confuse an infant research effort with a mature science that has been checked and triple-checked over decades.

Climate modeling is just a toddler science, barely able to waddle around the living room. It’s a nice idea to try modeling the earth’s atmosphere. But nature is inconceivably more complex than what we ever see in a laboratory jar. There are no proven “greenhouse gases” in the real atmosphere, just as there are no proven causes of alcoholism or obesity. Alcoholism is an incredibly complex mix of nutrients, heredity, epigenetics, exercise, lifestyle, early learning, puberty, social support, economics, food availability, optimism, toxins, sunshine, interactions, feedback loops, and all the unknown unknowns.

Try to build little computer models of alcoholism and you learn nothing new — because it’s the evidence that’s missing. Computer models of the atmosphere are just as premature. Climate modeling is a baby “science” just like the quack cures for alcoholism or obesity.

Most scientifically savvy people understand this perfectly well. It’s not news — except to the news media, who just don’t want to know. They will never ruin a good story with facts. Journalists don’t get fired for being wrong.

AGW therefore looks to be the biggest fraud in the history of science. The AGW hype machine may signal the worst breakdown ever in the normal, healthy process of open debate and endless testing that makes for good science. It’s pathological science — which is not science at all.

What’s happening today is very dangerous. It can infect other parts of the sciences, medicine, and technology. If honest scientists cannot stand up to the pressure we are in deep, deep trouble as a society. Bad science kills people.

That institutional breakdown could spread — perhaps it has already spread — to other fields that have been politicized. This is very bad.

Ultimately the only solution may be to cauterize the proliferating mass of corruption. That can only be done by the new media, which are not playing footsies with political frauds.

All we can do is keep telling the truth, and listen to honest debate. Keep on doing that, and this sickness may yet pass, without killing the patient.

James Lewis is a scientist by trade, and carps as a hobby about the passing parade of human fraud and folly.

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Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthropogenic-global-warming-the-greatest-fraud-in-history/

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[1] were put there: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1872175,00.html
[2] global warming worse?: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/4284363/Fall-in-pea-souper-fogs-has-led-to-increase-in-global-warming.html
[3] hype machine: http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/newyork09.html
[4] appointed: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/12/23/obamas-not-so-centrist-cabinet/
[5] biggest false alarm: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/25/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange
[6] the biggest fraud : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-3843374,prtpage-1.cms
[7] has already been made : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24934655-5017272,00.html
[8] rational skeptic.: http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/science-advisors-unsustainable-bet-and-mine/
[9] Guardian: : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange
[10] great gifts : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
[11] shamelessly generalized: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Heat_Island
[12] has been exposed.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy
[13] endorsing false data.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_McIntyre
[14] next big headline. : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3557445/Stop-the-CO2-scare,-before-it%27s-too-late.html
[15] blind generalization.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_body_problem
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anthropogenic-global-warming-the-greatest-fraud-in-history/
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