Ronnie brown

[Tepop84]

Those stats are skewed and you know it...he is 16th among RBs with over 10 rushing attempts per game...seeing as how he only gets just under 14 attempts per game, what do you think would happen if he got something like 20 attempts per game?  Do you really think it's just "average" when all of those players I just mentioned are around the same average ypc?  All of those RBs I mentioned (with the exception of Forte who is still having a damn good year) are elite RBs.  And your not taking into account that two of our lineman are out for the season, one of which is probably the second best on the team and plays the same side as our best O-lineman.  And yes, Ronnie is coming off of a major knee surgery and won't be the same until next year...and yes, no one respects Penny's arm, so they put eight in the box to stuff the run...you get tired of hearing the "excuses" but they are legitimate reasons why Ronnie isn't having a better year.  I'm getting tired of repeating myself...it's like talking politics or religion with you.

How does the number of rushing attempts he gets per game affect his YPC.  lol.  Yes I think it is average when 21 runningbacks in the NFL have a higher YPC than he does.  And that isn't skewed, those are RB who have qualified stats not like 1 carry for 7 yards.  Excuses are like assholes. All your stupid excuses don't really hurt ricky that much do they.  The only one that actually only affects Ronnie is his injury, and if he is that fucking hurt then don't play.

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How does the number of rushing attempts he gets per game affect his YPC.  lol.  Yes I think it is average when 21 runningbacks in the NFL have a higher YPC than he does.  And that isn't skewed, those are RB who have qualified stats not like 1 carry for 7 yards.  Excuses are like assholes. All you stupid fucking excuses don't really hurt ricky that much do they.  The only one that actually only affects Ronnie is his injury, and if he is that fucking hurt then don't play.

This isn't a Ronnie vs. Ricky thread...I like Ricky too and think he would be having a better year as well if it weren't for all of my "stupid fucking excuses."  To your point of "how does his rushing attempts affect ypc", seeing as he is the type of RB that can wear down a defense, I think it has a lot to do with ypc.  Do you even watch any of the games?  Do you not see Ronnie fight for every yard?  No one in the NFL can have a stellar year if there aren't holes to run through.  You like to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet you haven't even mentioned those elite RBs I mentioned earlier...do you want to throw them under the bus as well?  He's having a good year considering what he went through last year, and even with that I think he is better than what we have at RB so saying "if he's hurt don't play" would be detrimental to the team.  How can you not like someone that knocks defenders over like bowling pins and can out run most DBs, not to mention is one of the better pass catching RBs in the league....oh he can throw passes too if your hate is blinding you too much to remember.

[Tepop84]

This isn't a Ronnie vs. Ricky thread...I like Ricky too and think he would be having a better year as well if it weren't for all of my "stupid fucking excuses."  Do you even watch any of the games?  Do you not see Ronnie fight for every yard?  No one in the NFL can have a stellar year if there aren't holes to run through.  You like to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet you haven't even mentioned those elite RBs I mentioned earlier...do you want to throw them under the bus as well?  He's having a good year considering what he went through last year, and even with that I think he is better than what we have at RB so saying "if he's hurt don't play" would be detrimental to the team.  How can you not like someone that knocks defenders over like bowling pins and can out run most DBs, not to mention is one of the better pass catching RBs in the league....oh he can throw passes too if your hate is blinding you too much to remember.

What elite runningbacks are you talking about.  There are 21 NFL runningbacks that are averaging more ypc than him. Ronnie isn't an elite rb.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

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What elite runningbacks are you talking about.  There are 21 NFL runningbacks that are averaging more ypc than him. Ronnie isn't an elite rb.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

As said in my earlier post...

Marion Barber is at 3.7 ypc....Matt Forte 4.0 ypc and so is Brian Westbrook....Turner is at 4.3 ypc, so is Frank Gore and Maurice Jones-Drew

I never said Ronnie was elite...i said these guys were...I don't think Ronnie has proven that yet...if he would have stayed healthy last year, who knows?  But my point was you want to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet these guys have nearly identical or less than average ypc than Ronnie and no one considers them average RBs with average stats...show me a link where 21 RBs are doing better than him...I'm only counting 16...under 10 attempts per game is a skewed stat in my opinion.

[Tepop84]

  To your point of "how does his rushing attempts affect ypc", seeing as he is the type of RB that can wear down a defense, I think it has a lot to do with ypc.  Do you even watch any of the games?  Do you not see Ronnie fight for every yard? 

I hate arguing on here because people just stay stuff with no truth to it, and then i have to go and prove them wrong.



Maybe you just got confused with a good tough rb who actually does wear a defense down instead of just dancing in the backfield.

[Frimp]

Tenshot, its like talking to a sponge. Say all you want, and it still won't change anything. It will still suck in water, and when squeezed, will release the same water, and do it all again.

And to think, 10 years ago, we would have killed for a RB that averaged 4 yards a carry.

[Tepop84]

As said in my earlier post...

I never said Ronnie was elite...i said these guys were...I don't think Ronnie has proven that yet...if he would have stayed healthy last year, who knows?  But my point was you want to throw Ronnie under the bus, yet these guys have nearly identical or less than average ypc than Ronnie and no one considers them average RBs with average stats...show me a link where 21 RBs are doing better than him...I'm only counting 16...under 10 attempts per game is a skewed stat in my opinion.

Turner has 332 carries at 4.3 ypc, which is a lot more valuable than 195 at 4.2 ypc. Deangelo williams splits his carries and is still a shitton better than ronnie brown.  Portis plays in a tough division and is still a lot better than ronnie brown.  steve slaton is a rookie and still a lot better than brown.

[Tepop84]

Tenshot, its like talking to a sponge. Say all you want, and it still won't change anything. It will still suck in water, and when squeezed, will release the same water, and do it all again.

And to think, 10 years ago, we would have killed for a RB that averaged 4 yards a carry.

10 years ago a rb who averaged 4 ypc would have been good, but times change.

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Turner has 332 carries at 4.3 ypc, which is a lot more valuable than 195 at 4.2 ypc. Deangelo williams splits his carries and is still a shitton better than ronnie brown.  Portis plays in a tough division and is still a lot better than ronnie brown.  steve slaton is a rookie and still a lot better than brown.

Is that Ronnie's fault that Turner has 332 carries vs his 195?  How does that make him any less valuable as a RB?  Deanglo Williams runs behind an offense that can stretch the field when need be and has an established line that benefits both RBs.  Portis has not only established himself as an elite RB in the past but has incredible speed so I'll give you that one, but Slaton has a good run blocking OL and has this guy named Andre Johnson who has the highest yards per catch average in the league to take the heat off of him:  defenses have to account for him.  You call these excuses, yet they are very real, legitimate reasons why things are the way they are.  As for the Brown stats you posted, that is a relatively small sample size to compare...only 55 carries in attempts 11-20 and only 4 for attempts 21 and over.  Comparing that to Ricky's 18 carries in attempts 11-20 is skewed...not a large enough or relatively even sample size...any basic statistics course will tell you that.  You still haven't sent me a link as to where he's 21st in ypc.  The difference between you and I is I actually address all the points you make, while you just like to pick whichever arguments I make that you can counter with your nonsense logic. 

I'm going to put this to rest for the night because I'm tired and have to work in the morning.

[Tepop84]

Is that Ronnie's fault that Turner has 332 carries vs his 195?  How does that make him any less valuable as a RB?  Deanglo Williams runs behind an offense that can stretch the field when need be and has an established line that benefits both RBs.  Portis has not only established himself as an elite RB in the past but has incredible speed so I'll give you that one, but Slaton has a good run blocking OL and has this guy named Andre Johnson who has the highest yards per catch average in the league to take the heat off of him:  defenses have to account for him.  You call these excuses, yet they are very real, legitimate reasons why things are the way they are.  As for the Brown stats you posted, that is a relatively small sample size to compare...only 55 carries in attempts 11-20 and only 4 for attempts 21 and over.  Comparing that to Ricky's 18 carries in attempts 11-20 is skewed...not a large enough or relatively even sample size...any basic statistics course will tell you that.  You still haven't sent me a link as to where he's 21st in ypc.  The difference between you and I is I actually address all the points you make, while you just like to pick whichever arguments I make that you can counter with your nonsense logic. 

I'm going to put this to rest for the night because I'm tired and have to work in the morning.

[DolFan619]

Tenshot, its like talking to a sponge. Say all you want, and it still won't change anything. It will still suck in water, and when squeezed, will release the same water, and do it all again.

And to think, 10 years ago, we would have killed for a RB that averaged 4 yards a carry.

  I think you hit the nail on the head.  It is like talking to a sponge....  bob.   

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I think I figured it out...Tepop is Ricky Williams...he's jealous that Ronnie is getting all the attention and he is getting none.  That's why he marks out to Ricky so much...he IS Ricky.

[Frimp]

^^^

No, Tepop is Spongebob.

Spongebob is Ricky? 

 

[Dave Gray]

I know you guys think he's just being an a-hole, but I think Tepop is right.

Ronnie isn't playing great football right now.  He's average.  He's 16 of 32 teams of guys that carry over 10 times a game.  ...that's right in the middle.

We can blame our O-line and stuff, but we can also cite our cupcake schedule.  And like he said, those are just excuses.  He doesn't have the numbers of a great running back.  He has the numbers of an OK one.

And I'm not busting on Ronnie.  I like the guy and think he's good, but he's not playing any better than the other 2 guys on our roster at the same position, yet he's costing us a lot more.  I'm not saying that he won't be worth it later, but he's not playing like a 9 million per year back right now.

[run_to_win]

There are 21 NFL runningbacks that are averaging more ypc than him.

Do they run behind 2nd string quality guards and centers also?

How many RBs qualify for your list?  Is he 21 out of 32?  21 out of 50?