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Dphins4me
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 08:48:18 am »

What is complete BS.  He won it last year and is having a better year this year.
  Is someone else having a better year than him this year?
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 08:49:00 am »

Its gotta blow for Tebow to have the most 1st place votes & come in 3rd.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 11:22:37 am »

  Is someone else having a better year than him this year?

That isn't a bad point.  Tebow started slow which killed him in the voting. 

I don't think the winner was undeserving, I should have been more clear on that.  But for Tebow to come in third was a "you've won it once, we'll give the glory to someone else" snub.  If that's the case they should disqualify underclassmen who win the award from a possible repeat. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 02:27:27 pm »

Sam Bradford- Oklahoma Sophomore QB- 302/442 4464 yards 48 TD 6 int,  5 rush TD 9 sacks

Colt McCoy- Texas Junior QB- 291/375 3445 yards 32 TD 7 int,  576 rush yds 10 rush TD 20 sacks

Tim Tebow- Florida Junior QB- 174/268 2515 yards 28 TD 2 int, 564 rush yards 12 rush TD 15 sacks

I think the Heisman voters made the right choie. Wink
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 03:42:59 pm »

Sam Bradford- Oklahoma Sophomore QB- 302/442 4464 yards 48 TD 6 int,  5 rush TD 9 sacks

Colt McCoy- Texas Junior QB- 291/375 3445 yards 32 TD 7 int,  576 rush yds 10 rush TD 20 sacks

Tim Tebow- Florida Junior QB- 174/268 2515 yards 28 TD 2 int, 564 rush yards 12 rush TD 15 sacks

I think the Heisman voters made the right choie. Wink
Its truly hard to gauge this type stuff when you factor in whom a team plays.  I think the SEC is by far the tougher place to play.

Can't argue against Bradford, but we will find out in a few weeks.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 04:06:58 pm »

^You're right.  I don't think it matters what happens in the bowl game, either.  It should be based upon how you carried yourself during the regular season.  I think I was penciling in Tebow for the exact reasons I stated he shouldn't be penciled out.  That goes both ways, yes?
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 04:44:09 pm »

That isn't a bad point.  Tebow started slow which killed him in the voting. 

I don't think the winner was undeserving, I should have been more clear on that.  But for Tebow to come in third was a "you've won it once, we'll give the glory to someone else" snub.  If that's the case they should disqualify underclassmen who win the award from a possible repeat. 

Colt probably got some sympathy votes due to the fact Texas is out of the NC as opposed to just because Tebow won before.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2008, 04:46:28 pm »

Well, if you completely throw the numbers out this year, I would have had to go with Colt. The guy came up big in all of the games including the Texas Tech loss. Although, Bradford's numbers were undeniable. He was just too efficient against some big teams texas/textech/okstate for the award to go elsewhere.

Graham Harrell should have been a lot closer to this pack, the voters are stupid. The Texas game this year was one of the single best performances of the last couple of years.
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2008, 08:24:15 pm »

Well, if you completely throw the numbers out this year, I would have had to go with Colt. The guy came up big in all of the games including the Texas Tech loss. Although, Bradford's numbers were undeniable. He was just too efficient against some big teams texas/textech/okstate for the award to go elsewhere.

Graham Harrell should have been a lot closer to this pack, the voters are stupid. The Texas game this year was one of the single best performances of the last couple of years.

Which is the problem I have with the Heisman.... one bad game (Harrell vs OU), and you're Heisman chances are pretty much slim to none. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2008, 10:02:34 am »

I don't put too much stock in the award.

Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne have all had less than steller NFL success. 
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2008, 11:29:10 am »

I don't put too much stock in the award.

Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Ron Dayne have all had less than steller NFL success. 

The award is not intended to be a NFL projection.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2008, 12:02:01 pm »

The award is not intended to be a NFL projection.

I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft.  But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2008, 01:30:07 pm »

I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft.  But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. 

If the award was intended to predict NFL success, Michael Crabtree would have won.
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2008, 02:33:44 pm »

I understand that. And I don't think the award should track neatly with being the first pick overall in the draft.  But I think there is a flaw in any award when you are saying this is the best player in all of college football and he can't earn himself a spot on special teams while his peers get drafted and can play at an NFL level. 

There is no flaw in that. The NFL and college football are completely different beasts. One can most certainly be the best player at the college level but not make the grade at the NFL level and they should most certainly be awarded as such if they are.
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2008, 04:57:10 pm »

Best overall player in college football.

I don't really know that I agree with this.

What if the best player at his position is a kicker, like the year that Janikowski was so far superior to every other kicker.  Did he have a shot at winning?

Also, when you're a great safety, they just don't throw to your side.  It impacts the game, but there aren't numbers to show for it.  When you're a great lineman, your stat is "not sacks".

I just wish that the Heisman was an award more clearly defined.
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