Ted Ginn

[fyo]

How did Pro Bowls suddenly become a measuring stick worth a crap?

[YoFuggedaboutit]

How did Pro Bowls suddenly become a measuring stick worth a crap?

Because no one really gives a damn about the game anymore.  Every NFL player wants to make the Pro Bowl, but no one wants to actually play in it. 

If they moved the game to midseason, it would matter more. 

[Spider-Dan]

As far as durability goes...if Fitz goes down tomorrow, is he still a franchise WR? How about Moss?

They've both been in the league for longer than 2 years.

If Fitzgerald or Moss go down tomorrow, they've already shown a long history of durability.  The same cannot be said of Johnson, yet.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

They've both been in the league for longer than 2 years.

If Fitzgerald or Moss go down tomorrow, they've already shown a long history of durability.  The same cannot be said of Johnson, yet.

If Moss goes down tomorrow he has already done enough to get his ticket punched to Canton.  He broke Rice's record. 

[Sunstroke]

^^^ And played bumper cars with a car-less traffic officer...that has to get him in.

As far as Moss breaking Rice's single season TD record goes... Moss took 16 games to accomplish what Jerry did in 12.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^ And played bumper cars with a car-less traffic officer...that has to get him in.

As far as Moss breaking Rice's single season TD record goes... Moss took 16 games to accomplish what Jerry did in 12.

Moss did it in one season, Rice did it in once season.  If you want to claim Rice did it in 12 games you have to acknowledge Moss did it in 13. 

[Sunstroke]

Moss did it in one season, Rice did it in once season.  If you want to claim Rice did it in 12 games you have to acknowledge Moss did it in 13. 

What are you talking about? Moss played all 16 games in 2007 when he broke Jerry's record, and he didn't break the record until week 17. Jerry played in 12 games when he set the record.

Moss, 2007:  http://www.nfl.com/players/randymoss/gamelogs?id=MOS699912&season=2007
Rice, 1987:  http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/gamelogs?id=RIC128880&season=1987

[dolphins4life]

How about Ginn.  Another big play in a Dolphins win

[doctord56]

How about Ginn.  Another big play in a Dolphins win

4 catches for 44 yards, and a nice 31 yard run for a TD.

Ted certainly contributed today. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think this is the best we can expect. Drafted so high, Cam-moron planned to get a star probowl level WR, but his career arc will likely never reach that level. But if he can make some plays to help the team win and contribute like he did today, then that's going to be good enough.

[Frimp]

I'm rethinking my stance on this thread.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

I'm rethinking my stance on this thread.

Don't.  Anyone can have a game like he did today.  Let's see him do it on a consistent basis before we start acknowledging him as a #1 worthy receiver.

[Frimp]

^^^

Not a number one. But not cut or traded either.

[doctord56]

^^^

Not a number one. But not cut or traded either.

Which was precisely my point. Ted Ginn will likely never be an elite player, but he is good enough to keep on the team, and can do some things on the field to help the team win.

[Frimp]

^^

At least I'm willing to concede unlike someone else here. 

[Spider-Dan]

Don't.  Anyone can have a game like he did today.  Let's see him do it on a consistent basis before we start acknowledging him as a #1 worthy receiver.

Why start there?

I mean, when Ginn has a big receiving game, you insist that the credit must be given to the QB.
When Ginn has a big day running or returning, why not just give the credit to the outstanding blocking?

That way, we can safely avoid ever giving Ted Ginn any credit at all.