Worst move by Parcells?

[stinkfish]

Not signing Coles.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Getting into a pissing contest with Jason Taylor ranks as # 1.  Don't alienate the franchise, man!  It forced fans to pick a side, and now one of our team's best ever players is seen by many as a jackass despite his many years of excellent service.  That's his biggest mistake.

That's because JT hadn't won shit in his entire time here.  Also, keep in mind that he was supposed to be a leader on this team, and instead of setting a good example and being in Miami participating in offseason workouts, he's out in Hollywood dancing.  No wonder he missed more games this past season due to injury than he had in any other season his entire career. 

Not to mention the fact that he left because he wanted to play for a winner.  Well, his old team made the playoffs and his new team didn't. 

[doctord56]

Well, JT was a great player, and despite being on mediocre and then increasingly lousy teams, played his heart out for years. He was looking at transitioning to Hollywood and a post football career, and clearly had lost interest after a decade of football, culminating in a poorly coached 1 and 15 disaster of a team.

Parcells saw a once great player with 100 + sacks in the past and maybe 10 in his future, who had lost his desire to work hard in the offseason. Parcells made the gimlet eyed hard choice, to get decent trade value for him, clear salary cap space, and trade a disgruntled veteran who was no longer showing leadership.

Sure, it would have been nice to see JT retire a dolphin and spend his whole career here. But JT had lost his spark, and Parcells foisted him off on Daniel Snyder's redskins. A hard hearted move for sure, but the right one by Parcells, and the right one for the Miami Dolphins.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Well, JT was a great player, and despite being on mediocre and then increasingly lousy teams, played his heart out for years. He was looking at transitioning to Hollywood and a post football career, and clearly had lost interest after a decade of football, culminating in a poorly coached 1 and 15 disaster of a team.

Parcells saw a once great player with 100 + sacks in the past and maybe 10 in his future, who had lost his desire to work hard in the offseason. Parcells made the gimlet eyed hard choice, to get decent trade value for him, clear salary cap space, and trade a disgruntled veteran who was no longer showing leadership.

Sure, it would have been nice to see JT retire a dolphin and spend his whole career here. But JT had lost his spark, and Parcells foisted him off on Daniel Snyder's redskins. A hard hearted move for sure, but the right one by Parcells, and the right one for the Miami Dolphins.

QFT

[JVides]

That's because JT hadn't won shit in his entire time here.  Also, keep in mind that he was supposed to be a leader on this team, and instead of setting a good example and being in Miami participating in offseason workouts, he's out in Hollywood dancing.  No wonder he missed more games this past season due to injury than he had in any other season his entire career. 

Not to mention the fact that he left because he wanted to play for a winner.  Well, his old team made the playoffs and his new team didn't. 

1 - JT played DE / OLB, not WR, RB, QB, OL, etc... he excelled at doing what he HAD to Do, so the "he hadn't won" stuff is irrelevant.  It ain't one on one out there, it's 11 on 11.  To blame him for not raising his team to a SB through sheer will is silly.

2 - He wasn't SUPPOSED to be a leader, he WAS THE leader.  He chose to spend his OTA and voluntary workout time away from the team for the first time in 11 years.  Big deal.  This had been in the works since before Tuna & co.  even arrived and had, for all we know, been cleared with his previous bosses. 

3 - His injuries last year were from a kick to the leg, if I remember correctly, not from being out of shape.

4 - Hindsight's always 20/20.  The 'Fins are the ONLY team to EVER experience such a turn around; I don't blame him for thinking the odds were Miami would have another bad year.  Plus, this has been covered in other threads.  You know where I stand on JT.

In the end, if JT should have been more "rah rah" about the new direction, Parcells should be old enough not to pull his usual hijinks, like referring to wideouts as "she", or "the player", or giving people the silence treatment.  It's dumb on his part too.  Since everything on the field panned out, I think this is his worst act as member of the Dolphins.

[Thundergod]

^^^

I see a pattern.

WORD.   

[Sunstroke]

^^^

I see a pattern.

I see a pattern as well...though it's not really a "new" pattern as much as it is a basic psychological truth.  That truth is that regardless of what your job title is, the more "veteran" you become, the more likely you are to make a mistake that's centered around being stubborn.

JT = Crusty veteran player with a well established "This is how I want to be treated"
Parcells = Crusty veteran coach/football guy with a well established "This is how I'm going to treat you"

Given the situation that both were in (JT and his off-field hollywood future and Parcells needing to set a new tone for the team to operate under), you almost had to expect some sort of difference of opinion between the two.

[Bradys3Rings]

i love the Tuna but i hope you guys aren't actually putting this 11-5 season on his mantle to shine up and call his own are you?  a ton of that 11 win season was dumb luck.  it really was.  Miami was a much better team than the 1-15 record showed in 2007 and they are a much worse team than the 11-5 record last year.  they should have been about 7-9 in 2007 and then 7-9 or 8-8 last year.  stagnation, record wise.  but growth when you think about the players you ran out of there.  taylor, thomas, etc.  8-8 would have been a good year with that young team and they should get better. 

if miami drafts another wr i am going to laugh my nuts off, by the way.  all i am reading about in R1 is wr, wr, wr.  YES please draft a wr that can "stretch the field."  because you don't have a QB that can!!  hey, all props to pennington.  the guy is a general on the field.  he seems like a good kid.  he's tough.  accurate.  as long as he doesn't need to throw anything more than a screen.  wtf is a burner going to do for miami besides outrun the pattern?  stick with Camarillo.  that is the type of hard nose tough wr that miami needs.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

if miami drafts another wr i am going to laugh my nuts off, by the way.  all i am reading about in R1 is wr, wr, wr.  YES please draft a wr that can "stretch the field."  because you don't have a QB that can!! 

That is a completely inaccurate statement.  We do have a QB that can.  And believe me when I say that he'll be starting by 2010

[Bradys3Rings]

That is a completely inaccurate statement.  We do have a QB that can.  And believe me when I say that he'll be starting by 2010

until the kid comes into a game and faces an NFL pass rush i ain't buying it.  i'm sure you're talking about henne.  good college career.  and he was available to you in the second round for a reason.

[Rick]

until the kid comes into a game and faces an NFL pass rush i ain't buying it.  i'm sure you're talking about henne.  good college career.  and he was available to you in the second round for a reason.

What round was your boy Tom Brady drafted in??

[Bradys3Rings]

good point.

however i am not saying the kid is going to suck.  but when we're talking about qb's from college to nfl i'll believe it when i see it.  he might be great.  he might not.  i want to see him react under pressure, checking down to his third option, making a 2 minute drive, etc before i say he's miami's qb of the future.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

good point.

however i am not saying the kid is going to suck.  but when we're talking about qb's from college to nfl i'll believe it when i see it.  he might be great.  he might not.  i want to see him react under pressure, checking down to his third option, making a 2 minute drive, etc before i say he's miami's qb of the future.

Apparently he has been able to do all that.  That's why this coaching staff raves about him.

[Sunstroke]

i love the Tuna but i hope you guys aren't actually putting this 11-5 season on his mantle to shine up and call his own are you?

Yes, a good bit of it...

On a side note, were you not able to find a Patsies chat board to hang out, so you decided to visit the enemy? I always wonder about patsies fans who search out dolphins chat boards...what the hell are they thinking?

[Bradys3Rings]

i normally make charity donations every year to the special olympics and cant this year so i figured i would try to enliten those that are not up to speed on good v bad football.  consider my presence a gift.