Upcoming Assault Weapons Ban

[Dave Gray]

Phish is right.  It's not that liberals don't understand that criminals will still get what they want.  It might just make it harder for them, while at the same time, assault weapons in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't provide any advantage either.

I don't expect the good guys to fend off the bad guys in a gun fight.

I'm not arguing for or against the bill -- just against the point that a ban would be ineffective.

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^^^ They understand it, but by creating a ban you also create the possibility for stiffer punishments when criminals use these weapons.

There's no need to ban weapons to create stiffer penalties when they're used illegally. 

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I don't expect the good guys to fend off the bad guys in a gun fight.

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Can you elaborate on this?

[Phishfan]

There's no need to ban weapons to create stiffer penalties when they're used illegally. 

Of course it isn't necessary but it is a vehicle for the punishmets you crave so dearly. Extra charges and punishment for the banned weapon on top of the already existing punishment for use of a weapon.

[Defense54]

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I think it's a great idea.  I mean look how well making drugs illegal has worked.  No one uses drugs anymore!
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Dumb statement.  Do you see it outside everywhere you walk?  Its illegal and becuase so people are held accountable if need be.

[Dave Gray]

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Can you elaborate on this?

Sure.  I don't think a realistic form of crime prevention is to have citizens keeping the peace.  I prefer an efficient police force for that.

I think that when you're making a pro and con list of assault weapons, that "good people will have assault weapons too" isn't a pro.  Neither is it a con.

[MaineDolFan]

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Ahh!  All this time I thought making drugs illegal would be so people wouldn't DO THEM!  I didn't realize it was so that people wouldn't do them in plain sight!  Gotcha!  Yep, MY comment sure was dumb! 

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Sure.  I don't think a realistic form of crime prevention is to have citizens keeping the peace.  I prefer an efficient police force for that.

Okay, I didn't know if you meant citizens or law enforcement when you said "good guys".

I think we agree that citizens are not expected to outgun the bad guys, and law enforcement is expected to outgun the bad guys.

[Dave Gray]

^^ Yes, I think we can.

Although I don't think stronger weapons for law enforcement is the answer.  I don't object to them having them, but I don't see weakness in firefights being the issue.

[Dphins4me]

Then they will have a huge fight on their hands. The NRA is a very powerful organization and the states make their own gun laws currently. In Florida it is actually against the law for the state to compile a list of gun owners. You don't have to register weapons in Florida so they have no idea who is making private sales. How do you think they will tax my guns if they don't know I have them?

Its the states that are doing it.  Ill right now & trying to pass that if you own a gun you have to carry 100K in insurance.

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Ill right now & trying to pass that if you own a gun you have to carry 100K in insurance.

I wonder how many criminals will go straight in Illinois because they can't afford the insurance on their piece?

[Phishfan]

Its the states that are doing it.  Ill right now & trying to pass that if you own a gun you have to carry 100K in insurance.

Well then I guess its a good thing I never plan to move to Illinois.

[GUATARICCAN]

I think most people are mistaking what is available to citizens vs. law enforcement/ military. All assault rifles sold to civilians in the US w/o a Class 3 weapons license are semi auto ONLY. Law enforcement/ military and Class 3 license holders have the right to own Full auto/ 3 burst rifles. Rifles like these are not sold at Bass Pro and very rarely are they sold in guns shops. Most fully automatic rifles start at about $7,000, much more now I bet, and you must call Colt or Bushmaster or whatever manufacturer you choose directly. I also believe most only deal with PDs or military. So these "assault rifles" as they call them are basically a Ruger 10/22 with a larger caliber bullet and a bigger round capacity. So should we also ban auto loading 22s?

 And as for converting one to full auto it's not as easy as changing out a spring or taking it to a gun show table. There are a few components removed from a military rifle when it is made into a semi auto civilian version and unless you have a source for a full auto sear and the other parts that are missing it can't be done. Well can't be done safely and they'll more than likely have a out of battery primer strike that could possibly take care of their illegal shooting days. And if anyone says they see these kids on youtube firing a full auto rifle most of those videos are using a technique called bump firing.

And who ever mentioned grenades and an A bomb that's apples to oranges man, come on!! Those are destrcutive devices and I believe no one can own them. But there are always ways to get things like grenades, bring back from the military for example.     

[Defense54]

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Ahh!  All this time I thought making drugs illegal would be so people wouldn't DO THEM!  I didn't realize it was so that people wouldn't do them in plain sight!  Gotcha!  Yep, MY comment sure was dumb! 

Hey what do you want me to say? This is America. People here are free to do almost anything they like.  Lets face it , If you want to do drugs and whatever else , no one is really gonna be able to stop you.  The Constitution, protects people from search and seizure and the like.  So with what we have to work with to make it a Free and as best we can.........a fair country we CONTROL, the drug use in the country.  Basically..........if you want to use, go right the fuck ahead. Millions of little Crack dens and shitholes to go. But effect the people that don't want it, try to strap a vein or smoke a joint outside of a Apartment building , office door or most places where people gather to smoke ciggs.........and you will get hammered.  Is this arrangement perfect? No. Nothing really is.  But it keeps the people who don't want to deal with it reasonably safe and secure and those that do at bay with their disease.

I know people love to spout off how we are losing the war on drugs ...........thing is people who say that are only looking at one angle and usually have an agenda. Its very much under control.

[Dphins4me]

Well then I guess its a good thing I never plan to move to Illinois.

  Only takes one before the rest start to fall in line with the same thought process.  It will be coming to a state near you soon.