Upcoming Assault Weapons Ban

[Dave Gray]

Here's the problem with this issue.

Let's take it to the extreme:  I'm assuming that we can all agree that regular citizens shouldn't be allowed to legally own an A-Bomb, given that they could afford it.

What's the legal reasoning behind that? 

My answer would be that the risk to society is too great (and puts their rights at risk) to allow the right of the individual to continue.

The problem is where do you draw the line?  -- grenades, rocket launchers, mounted machine guns, assault rifles, shotguns, handguns....  We need to stop being afraid of the slippery slope on both sides.  Anyone who says that they're going to ban everything eventually is a reactionary retard (Sorry, Frimp.)  We're not going to just make all guns illegal.  But that doesn't mean that there can't be a healthy debate as to which kinds of weapons can be legal and which ones can't.

[Dphins4me]

I am a gun owner and I really don't know what to think. Some weapons do deserve to be banned though. No one is going to outlaw guns altogether though.

Nope, but they are going to tax them & make you carry insurance yada yada yada.

[Phishfan]

Nope, but they are going to tax them & make you carry insurance yada yada yada.

Then they will have a huge fight on their hands. The NRA is a very powerful organization and the states make their own gun laws currently. In Florida it is actually against the law for the state to compile a list of gun owners. You don't have to register weapons in Florida so they have no idea who is making private sales. How do you think they will tax my guns if they don't know I have them?

[Defense54]

If LE can have full auto rifles, than I want them too.

Where did I say That?  Only a few have them and none are local agencies. No need at all for them. None.

[Defense54]

Then they will have a huge fight on their hands. The NRA is a very powerful organization and the states make their own gun laws currently. In Florida it is actually against the law for the state to compile a list of gun owners. You don't have to register weapons in Florida so they have no idea who is making private sales. How do you think they will tax my guns if they don't know I have them?

Exactly........and you CAN make your gun fully auto with just a few Mods legally here. Whenever there is a show and we do the security we all shake our heads at what we see and cannot do anything about.

[MaineDolFan]

forgive my ignorance but why do people need to own assault rifles?

I own semi auto handguns and my wife asked me the same question.  The answer, in brutal truth, is that they are not needed in civilian life.  I needed them as an MP, I don't now.

[MaineDolFan]

I think these bans will do nothing to slow or stop the violence in ANOTHER FREAKING COUNTRY!!! 

The problem is that the Mexican gangs are getting their weapons primarily through American vendors and manufactures.  Which is the thought process behind the law.  If we can't make 'em and sell 'em, the Mexicans won't be able to come get 'em.

I think it's a great idea.  I mean look how well making drugs illegal has worked.  No one uses drugs anymore!

[run_to_win]

I think it's a great idea.  I mean look how well making drugs illegal has worked.  No one uses drugs anymore!

With that in mind we should come up with a list of things we should make illegal .... exercising, saving money, being faithful to your spouse, being devoted to your children, etc, etc, etc.

[MaineDolFan]

^LOL.

I'm just saying that in spirit I understand why they want to ban the automatic weapons in order to try to slow the flow of them into Mexico.  And what happens right across our border does effect us greatly, especially in the border towns that have seen massive increase in violence due to the gang wars going on.

But it won't stop these people from getting the weapons that they want.  What it will do is stop law following people from getting them.  That's all it will do.

[bsmooth]

The problem is that the Mexican gangs are getting their weapons primarily through American vendors and manufactures.  Which is the thought process behind the law.  If we can't make 'em and sell 'em, the Mexicans won't be able to come get 'em.

I think it's a great idea.  I mean look how well making drugs illegal has worked.  No one uses drugs anymore!

Why would they get them from us when they can get AK's cheaper and in larger volumes? Even if this law passes the cartels will still have many other countries to acquire weapons from.

[MaineDolFan]

They do - but if you trust the reports on where those weapons are coming from, they are all American made and bought. 

[bsmooth]

They do - but if you trust the reports on where those weapons are coming from, they are all American made and bought. 

And we both know how true that is.

[MaineDolFan]

Well - I am sure the issues along border towns are most likely American made hardware.  That is easy enough to believe.

And the government would never, and I mean EVER, use the media in an attempt to scare the public into letting them pass something into law!

Let's say the entire country gets 100% of their firearms from the U.S.  Let's say we are successful in cutting off 100% of the flow of those arms to Mexico.  How long do you suppose it will take for a box of Uzi style weapons to go from Moscow to Cuba and into Mexico?  I say about a day.

[run_to_win]

But it won't stop these people from getting the weapons that they want.  What it will do is stop law following people from getting them.

I don't understand how EVERYONE comprehends this except liberal democrats.

[Phishfan]

^^^ They understand it, but by creating a ban you also create the possibility for stiffer punishments when criminals use these weapons. I thought you were all for more punishment of criminals.