Question for Catholics

[YoFuggedaboutit]

SC,

Please stop making back to back to back posts.  I was guilty of doing that once, but I found out the hard way that it clutters up the thread.  If you want to address quotes individually, it can be done in one post. 

[SCFinfan]

Sorry, I'm trying to study for my MPRE and post here at the same time. I'm a bit scattered.

[StL FinFan]

Uh, yes it is. That teaching has never changed. I don't mind if you're wrong about the issue, but don't misrepresent.

Well then I guess I am going to hell, so I'll have a nice big steak tonight, too.
Modifed to add: 

[SCFinfan]

Well then I guess I am going to hell, so I'll have a nice big steak tonight, too.

Oh my God. Are you a Jewish mother? No? Then quit trying to sling guilt at me like one.

Case in point: "judge not, let ye be judged" means do not speculate on an individual's ultimate destination, even should they commit the most abominable crime. I know the following statement will piss off RTW, but, frankly, no one knows whether even Hitler himself is in hell. God is just that merciful.

(Therefore, in accord with the above, I never speculated on the morality of what you did, or even mentioned heaven and hell...)

But beyond ultimate destination, the Catholic (and any rational person) is not stopped from passing judgment on incorrect facts. Let me ask you, Stl, if I said the Yankees had won every World Series since 1918 (I miss saying that date), and you replied by contradicting me, and I responded to your reply by saying "Oh, well, I guess I'm going to hell," would you take me seriously? I hope not. And I hope no one else would, either. 

Errors exist to be corrected. And it's the burden of the corrected person to either swallow his pride and admit his error, or explain his statement in such a way as makes sense.

[Buddhagirl]

So, does the man that raped the 9 year old automatically get excommunicated?

[StL FinFan]

Oh my God. Are you a Jewish mother? No? Then quit trying to sling guilt at me like one.

Case in point: "judge not, let ye be judged" means do not speculate on an individual's ultimate destination, even should they commit the most abominable crime. I know the following statement will piss off RTW, but, frankly, no one knows whether even Hitler himself is in hell. God is just that merciful.

(Therefore, in accord with the above, I never speculated on the morality of what you did, or even mentioned heaven and hell...)

But beyond ultimate destination, the Catholic (and any rational person) is not stopped from passing judgment on incorrect facts. Let me ask you, Stl, if I said the Yankees had won every World Series since 1918 (I miss saying that date), and you replied by contradicting me, and I responded to your reply by saying "Oh, well, I guess I'm going to hell," would you take me seriously? I hope not. And I hope no one else would, either. 

Errors exist to be corrected. And it's the burden of the corrected person to either swallow his pride and admit his error, or explain his statement in such a way as makes sense.

I am not trying to sling guilt at you.  Maybe you should learn to take a joke. 
I take birth control pills.  If the church belives that is wrong, then I guess I am condemned for it, but I don't really care.

[SCFinfan]

So, does the man that raped the 9 year old automatically get excommunicated?

Let me look.

No. Where secular punishments exist, excommunication does not. Rape remains a mortal sin, has the effect of completely wiping out the relationship between human and God, and requires a deep and lasting penance to fully remove.

[Buddhagirl]

Let me look.

No. Where secular punishments exist, excommunication does not. Rape remains a mortal sin, has the effect of completely wiping out the relationship between human and God, and requires a deep and lasting penance to fully remove.

What if the people that performed the abortion are not Catholics? What then?

[SCFinfan]

What if the people that performed the abortion are not Catholics? What then?

Then they can't be excommunicated. That'd be like the feds trying a non-US citizen for an American federal crime not committed on US soil (or in an embassy, or in a war zone, etc). Excommunication is a punishment administered by the church, to her flock, and to no one else.

[Dave Gray]

It's probably for the best.

Not pregnant + Not having to go to church anymore = Winner!

[Buddhagirl]

It's probably for the best.

Not pregnant + Not having to go to church anymore = Winner!

They're not excommunicating her. Something about her being to young or something.

[SCFinfan]

^^

Right, people under a certain age cannot be excomm'd. Furthermore, at that age, she couldn't have formed the intent to do the act which would've gotten excommunication as a punishment.

Oh and by the way:

Not pregnant + Not having to go to church anymore = Winner!

Misreading + being a smartass dick about a sensitive situation like this = FAIL.

[Dave Gray]

I like being called a dick on my own message board.  Bravo.  Remember that PM I wrote about being nice to each other?  Is that out the window already?

[MaineDolFan]

This thread has been relaxing and fun to read!  Thanks everyone! 

[SCFinfan]

I like being called a dick on my own message board.  Bravo.  Remember that PM I wrote about being nice to each other?  Is that out the window already?

Eye for an eye, brother. I'll always answer you on the level at which you make a comment. If you had put forward something reasonable, then sure, I wouldn't have said anything. But if you're gonna be irreverent, expect to have it flung in your face.