We're in the most significant period of global cooling since 1950...

[Fau Teixeira]

yep i saw that .. my bad ..

as far as ignoring the trillion dollar fossil fuel industry .. what bearing does that have on anything ? .. that isn't going anywhere .. that's why there's a potential for a trillion dollar green industry .. .. you'll use just as much coal or oil or gas .. you'll just also have to pay a "carbon tax"  .. that does nothing more than make other people wealthy

[Spider-Dan]

yep i saw that .. my bad ..

as far as ignoring the trillion dollar fossil fuel industry .. what bearing does that have on anything ?

You claim that the data is being distorted by those who potentially stand to profit from green energy in the future.
There is an equal-or-greater probability that the data is being distorted by those who currently profit from non-green energy sources.

[jtex316]

You claim that the data is being distorted by those who potentially stand to profit from green energy in the future.
There is an equal-or-greater probability that the data is being distorted by those who currently profit from non-green energy sources.

There is an equal-or-greater probability that you're full of it. Why did you have to go and ruin logic that had an equal or greater probability of being decent with an equal or greater probability nonsense like the words "equal or greater probability"?

Horribly disappointing.

[cyan]

Yes, 2008 was the coolest year of the last decade.  It was also the ninth hottest year recorded since 1880

I don't want to get involved in the discussion, other than to point out this statement, which I'm guessing is just a typo, since the "fact" contained within it is impossible.

If 2008 was the coolest year out of the past 10, then the prior 9 years (1999-2007)would have all had to have been hotter than 2008. If that were the case, it is impossible for 2008 to be the 9th hottest since 1880. At the very most, it could have been 10th hottest.

[Dave Gray]

Is there conflicting data on the temperature of the Earth or something?  Why are we so skeptical about NASA's data all of a sudden?  Are we skeptical about all of the other things that NASA measures?

[Cathal]

Is there conflicting data on the temperature of the Earth or something?  Why are we so skeptical about NASA's data all of a sudden?  Are we skeptical about all of the other things that NASA measures?

Well, they did have a rover/satellite (can't remember which) crash land on Mars because of using the wrong measurement system. 

[Fau Teixeira]

the reason we're skeptical about nasa's data is because the guy in charge of doing the math at nasa who has been pushing the idea of global warming had pretty huge errors in his math pointed out last year .. and those errors were part of the basis on which projections and computer models were made ..

and as you well know by theory of crouching tiger / hidden dragon .. you can't always assume nasa employees are infallible in their grasp of reality

[Dave Gray]

I'm not saying that the NASA data can't be wrong, and being skeptical of anything is good.   But it seems that all of a sudden this particular point of data is being called out as to adhere to some ideology.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't want to get involved in the discussion, other than to point out this statement, which I'm guessing is just a typo, since the "fact" contained within it is impossible.

If 2008 was the coolest year out of the past 10, then the prior 9 years (1999-2007)would have all had to have been hotter than 2008.

While your statement is factually accurate, your beef should be with the original poster, not me; that was a direct quote from RTW's first post.

I took the word "decade" to apply to this decade (in contrast to, say, the '90s), which is obviously incomplete.  This point would have been more apparent had you not substituted "the coolest year out of the past 10" for "the coolest year of the last decade".

But yes, you are technically correct to point that out, in the same sense that the Yankees have technically won two World Series "this decade."

[Spider-Dan]

the reason we're skeptical about nasa's data is because the guy in charge of doing the math at nasa who has been pushing the idea of global warming had pretty huge errors in his math pointed out last year .. and those errors were part of the basis on which projections and computer models were made ..

So wait... I'm confused.

Fau, just to get this point clear: do you or do you not agree that the Earth is getting warmer?

If not, I'd like to see your evidence.

[run_to_win]

While your statement is factually accurate, your beef should be with the original poster

The original poster did not write the article.  He merely posted it because he thought it was interesting and enjoys the hysterical answers from those who react as if their religion is under attack.

[bsmooth]

The original poster did not write the article.  He merely posted it because he thought it was interesting and enjoys the hysterical answers from those who react as if their religion is under attack.

So you posted with the intent to troll instead of trying to spark intellectual debate?

[Fau Teixeira]

So wait... I'm confused.

Fau, just to get this point clear: do you or do you not agree that the Earth is getting warmer?

If not, I'd like to see your evidence.

i think it was getting warmer .. and now it's going to get cooler ..  my point about nasa is that it is in general you should be skeptical ... not specifically about this data ..

[run_to_win]

So you posted with the intent to troll instead of trying to spark intellectual debate?

The intellectual debate is interesting.  The hysterical answers from those who react as if their religion is being attacked are just a much-anticipated bonus.