Man! People are giving up on Pat White already?

[ethurst22]

Pat White has ran 4 Wildcat plays and fans are screaming to trade him.

I don't think that it's fair.

I guess Dolphin fans wanted the second coming of Matt Ryan but here's the problem.

I'm guessing that 92% of the Dolphin offense was geared towards Chad Penningtons skill set with White having to run about 2 plays designed for him. White is a shotgun spread quarterback. He's not and never was a 5 to 7 step drop back passer.

You can say the same for Chad P. He's a three to 5 step QB and not a 7 step QB.

If he would have hit Ted Ginn Jr. with that bomb in the first game, no one would be talking about getting rid of him.

Matt Ryan had the benefit of starting on a blank sheet. What really helped him was the aquisition of Michael Turner and Roddy White grew up and decided to play football instead of get in trouble off the field.

If Henne goes down or something happens, Thigpen will be the man. Henne may stink up the joint ...who knows?

But this Pat White stinks stuff is a joke.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

The problem is, Ethurst, that the Dolphins spent a SECOND ROUND PICK on a guy who has played all of four plays and clearly doesn't have the skill to be an every day NFL QB.  That is not what you use a 2nd round pick on. 

[ethurst22]

The problem is, Ethurst, that the Dolphins spent a SECOND ROUND PICK on a guy who has played all of four plays and clearly doesn't have the skill to be an every day NFL QB.  That is not what you use a 2nd round pick on. 

Tommy,

I don't think that there has been adequate time to judge and see what he can do. I really don't want the guy to end up going through what John Beck went through (and we know how horrific that was). I wish that Beck would have went to Denver instead of B'more to back up Flacco.

We just don't know what's up with White because they didn't call that many passes for him in the exhibition season.

Maybe this is for another thread but I tell you who should be banned from an NFL football field purportrating as a QB and that's JaMarcus Russell.

[Brian Fein]

If there's one thing Dolphins' fans are, its impatient.  People have seen enough after one play, one game, one season.

Any talk to trading Pat White now is ludacrous.  No one expected Pat White to be anything more than a spot-situational player.  I don't think anyone actually expected him to play QB, even.

Give the kid a chance.  Some day you guys will root for the team instead of screaming for what YOU THINK is right.

[Phishfan]

The problem is, Ethurst, that the Dolphins spent a SECOND ROUND PICK on a guy who has played all of four plays and clearly doesn't have the skill to be an every day NFL QB.  That is not what you use a 2nd round pick on. 

I think the problem is fans project their frustration over the pick onto the player.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

No one expected Pat White to be anything more than a spot-situational player.  I don't think anyone actually expected him to play QB, even.

Exactly.  In the first round, Dolphins management passed on what could very well become a star WR (Hakeem Nicks), and a stud OLB (Clay Matthews), to draft a corner who can't even crack the starting lineup.

Then they blow a second round pick on a spot situational player. 

I don't see myself blaming Pat White at all.

[gocowboys31]

The problem is, Ethurst, that the Dolphins spent a SECOND ROUND PICK on a guy who has played all of four plays and clearly doesn't have the skill to be an every day NFL QB.  That is not what you use a 2nd round pick on. 

spot on!!!

[Brian Fein]

Exactly.  In the first round, Dolphins management passed on what could very well become a star WR (Hakeem Nicks), and a stud OLB (Clay Matthews), to draft a corner who can't even crack the starting lineup.

Then they blow a second round pick on a spot situational player. 

I don't see myself blaming Pat White at all.

The problem is that most fans blame the player for sucking and not performing up to their draft slot, rather than blaming the coaches for drafting a player too high.

[Sunstroke]

The problem is that most fans blame the player for sucking and not performing up to their draft slot, rather than blaming the coaches for drafting a player too high.

I usually blame both... the coach for selecting the player so high above their value and the player for cashing that weekly paycheck and perpetuating the charade.

It's definitely too early to toss Pat White on the trade heap though...we haven't even see what he can do when used in more than the blue moon scheme.

[JVides]

Exactly.  In the first round, Dolphins management passed on what could very well become a star WR (Hakeem Nicks), and a stud OLB (Clay Matthews), to draft a corner who can't even crack the starting lineup.

Then they blow a second round pick on a spot situational player. 

I don't see myself blaming Pat White at all.

First, about the corner:  He's only not starting because the guy they picked up in the second round has played better so far, and the veteran is a borderline Pro Bowl player.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Patrick Surtain was the nickel corner for 2 or 3 seasons behind Madison and Buckley.  How'd he work out?  Paaaaaatience.

Pat White will end up playing wideout, whether the Dolphins say he will or not, like Hines Ward (another former college QB).  What's wrong with using him as a Wildcat QB while he learns to play several positions?

Let's all just take a deep breath, shall we?  We all knew this year would be tough...   

[Doc-phin]

I haven't given up on Pat White, but I am starting to.  The guy shows no speed when running.  Speed was what was supposed to make him special.  The only ability we have seen from him is the ability to lolly-gag around till he nearly gets killed and way overthrow the ball.  Oh, I forgot he can also hand the ball to Ricky or Ronnie (may be his best skill).

The other issue is how slow he seems to be coming along.  For a guy with packages built around him, you would think he would look more comfortable than he does.

[fyo]

Exactly.  In the first round, Dolphins management passed on what could very well become a star WR (Hakeem Nicks), and a stud OLB (Clay Matthews), to draft a corner who can't even crack the starting lineup.

Vontae Davis has played up to expectations, when given the chance. Like JVides says, you can't really blame anyone for Sean Smith's stellar play. This kid really has played some great football, although it's gone mostly unnoticed (except for the int during preseason). His name basically never comes up during a game - and for a cornerback, that's a GOOD THING (TM).

As for Pat White, I've been extremely critical of him in the few comments I've made (probably one of the louder critics of him here), but that doesn't equate to me giving up on him or considering him a bad pick. It does mean, however, that I don't want him to be our backup quarterback. He's simply not there (and wasn't drafted to be). I'd like to see him in the Wild Cat, doing something other than hand off. Maybe even stick him in at running back or receiver, just to show something different and begin to establish him as a threat to take seriously when he lines up as "single wing".

[NADS]

The problem is, Ethurst, that the Dolphins spent a SECOND ROUND PICK on a guy who has played all of four plays and clearly doesn't have the skill to be an every day NFL QB.  That is not what you use a 2nd round pick on. 

Pat White = Teddy Ginn. 

I haven't given up on Pat White, but I am starting to.  The guy shows no speed when running.  Speed was what was supposed to make him special.  The only ability we have seen from him is the ability to lolly-gag around till he nearly gets killed and way overthrow the ball.  Oh, I forgot he can also hand the ball to Ricky or Ronnie (may be his best skill).

The other issue is how slow he seems to be coming along.  For a guy with packages built around him, you would think he would look more comfortable than he does.

Pat White = Teddy Ginn.  Ginn is skilled at avoiding the big hit, or rather any hit at all, with his -3 YAC.  That dude can't find the ground/sideline fast enough.  Like Ginn, White is a little light in the ass.

I haven't given up on Pat White as much as I haven't given up on Chad Henne.  This is a do or die year for Ginn.  Like JVides says you have to give them time to develop.  Henne looked like straight ass coming in to clean up, but what do you expect?  By that I mean what can we reasonably expect.  If White can't run our regular offense we have the fallback of him running the Wildcat...at least until he gets rapped by a big time NFL MLB or S.  Hopefully he's got some durability.  This season will definitely be tough so why not through him in the Wildcat a few times and see what we've got? 

[RhodeIslandPhinFan]

I got Pat White's back for atleast a couple of seasons.  Huge transition for any QB, let alone one that is expected to be Mike Vick in this Wildcat offense.  I just wish we grabbed him a round or 2 later than where we got him.

[bsfins]

Was Pat White in a spread offense in college? Is this like a Vince Young type situation,where they have to work on him playing under center....I thought I over heard one of the announcers talking about it during the preseason.....That's why I'm asking....