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« on: October 01, 2009, 03:21:27 pm »
If I am able to, I would like to nominate Rick Speilman for the Ring of Dishonor.  I noticed no one has been inducted in a few years, and think there is no one out there more deserving. 

Whether it be throwing 5 years $25 million at Jay Fiedler (which was a very good contract for a very average player)
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one of my all time hated moves by Miami, drafting Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees in 2001 when we had Madison and Surtain locking up WRs in their prime
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the fact that we got progressivly worse and drafted absolutley nothing except Chris Chambers, Yeremieh Bell, and V. Carey while he was holding that poistion.

Even though he wasn't responsible, I like to curse him out too for us drafting Jason Allen over Antonio Cromartie in 2006.  To me, Cromartie was like having Sean Taylor playing CB for us.  I think Sean Smith will be a similar player to Cromartie which helps me sleep at night.

What are your thoughts on my nomination?  Am I off base here?
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 03:23:48 pm »
I forgot to add Randy McMichael as one of the few draft picks that did something positive for the Phins.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 03:44:02 pm »
I really don't know RIPF, at this point, I'm screaming to nominate somebody..... ANYBODY. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 04:08:49 pm »
Quote from: Tommy on October 01, 2009, 03:44:02 pm
I really don't know RIPF, at this point, I'm screaming to nominate somebody..... ANYBODY. 

You lost me at RIPF....What is that?
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 04:11:13 pm »
Quote from: RhodeIslandPhinFan on October 01, 2009, 04:08:49 pm
You lost me at RIPF....What is that?

RIPF = Rhode Island Phin Fan
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 05:20:53 pm »
Cam "Camoron" Cameron

Reason :  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  1-15 season Nuff said
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 01:25:18 am »
Quote from: DZA on October 01, 2009, 05:20:53 pm
Cam "Camoron" Cameron

Reason :  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  1-15 season Nuff said

Wanny, had a finger in the 1-15 season and the demise of a once proud franchise.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 01:59:14 am »


Nick Saban gets it for me. Say what you want about Wanny, Speilman and Cameron, at least they TRIED and gave it 100% no matter how pathetic that was.  Saban Just turned his back and said FUCK YOU when the going got tough. I hate that mother fucker and his little straw hat.  Angry
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 09:35:50 am »
Nominations like Cameron make about as much sense to me as nominating Dan Marino.  The last time I checked, the goal of the NFL is to win a Super Bowl.  Marino played for 145 years in Miami and sniffed the big game once, never to return.  If you're going to throw a coach under the bus for ONE 1-15 season why not throw a QB that couldn't get the job done in 13 seasons?  At the end of the day Marino's success means nothing if the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl. 

Pretty dumb, right?  Marino couldn't win a Super Bowl using his golden arm all by himself.  And Cameron had a lot of help going 1-15.  And, yet, some people only see what they want.

I think a lot of you need to understand what the word dishonor means.  Defense5499 is on the nose regarding Saban being a better candidate than anyone else in recent history.  Saban's act set this franchise back in the measure of years.  Cameron, ultimately, was collateral damage from Saban's time here.  Somehow a lot of you seem to miss that little point.

I also think Jimmy Johnson caused more damage to this franchise than most are willing to admit.  His blind vision in trying to turn Miami into a running team all while losing a small window of time to take advantage of Marino's last years and ineffectively managing the cap really screwed Miami.  Dave Wannstedt took over a flaming bag of shit and got Miami further than Johnson ever could (and with less talent).  Not to mention Jimmy Johnson's quitting / not quitting act that completely railroaded a season that, prior to that little song and dance, was heading in the right way.

I say the pecking order for this hall should start with Jimmy Johnson.  Saban is certainly in the conversation.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 10:19:04 am »
^^^ I don't think your Cameron/Marino comparison works at all. The reason, because the ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl but that isn't the only goal. Marino accomplished quite a lot and it is blasphemous to compare his role in dolphin history with that of Cam Cameron. But I do agree that Cameron was not single handed in 1-15. I also don't get how you think Jimmie Johnson's retirement/unretirement in January affected a "season headed in the right direction" when there had really been nothing done for the upcoming season at that point.

I support Saban as an entry. I think Rick Spielmen could also be a condidate.

I just wish someone would get selected in. There are a number of functions on this site that have fallen to the wayside with the Ring being the most notable. Whenever you see press on this site it is always mentioned as an outstanding feature, yet is has been ignored for way too long.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 10:38:42 am »
Quote from: Phishfan on October 02, 2009, 10:19:04 am
I just wish someone would get selected in. There are a number of functions on this site that have fallen to the wayside with the Ring being the most notable. Whenever you see press on this site it is always mentioned as an outstanding feature, yet is has been ignored for way too long.

I totally agree with you there.  According to Dave, he and Jim were working on a candidate as the 2007 season progressed, then that write-up ground to a halt when that team came within a mule's breath of going 0-16.  A winless team would be an automatic shoo-in.  Unfortunately, that team won a game, and they never picked up where they left off. 

Dave, what's the hold up dude?  If you and Jim need some help with a write up, I'm more than willing to assist.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 10:47:00 am »
Jimmy Johnson gave us a great defense and put the only smile on my face in years through Zack Thomas, JT (who we are still reaping benifits from). Sam Madison , and Pat surtain. Man that was a great defense in the early 2000's!  he had some legitmate Life pressures when he left. He didn't go to a different team or Job for more money. Hell I think he deserves credit for backing out when he knew he couldn't give 100% anymore. Unlike Don Shula that was half assing it for almost his last decade here.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 10:51:43 am »
I feel there are too many choices....Randy Mueller,had just as much to do with Cam Cameron,as Cam Cameron gets blamed for.....
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 11:34:26 am »
Quote from: Tommy on October 02, 2009, 10:38:42 am
Unfortunately, that team won a game...

That's just me.   Grin
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 12:14:04 pm »
Quote from: Phishfan on October 02, 2009, 10:19:04 am
^^^ I don't think your Cameron/Marino comparison works at all. The reason, because the ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl but that isn't the only goal. Marino accomplished quite a lot and it is blasphemous to compare his role in dolphin history with that of Cam Cameron.

Yes, actually, it works fine if you read it and understand what I am saying versus seeing "Dan Marino" tensing up and assuming what I am saying.  You're splitting hairs just to split them.

My entire point, which seems to be missed a little:

1 - You wouldn't consider Dan Marino for this ring based solely on not producing one SB win although he had a lot of time to do just that.  And, yes, winning a Super Bowl is the reason why every team plays.  If you want individual accomplishments play golf or tennis.  What good did Marino's accomplishments due for his linemen?  The safeties?  His running backs?  No title.  That is still, however not my point...
2 - Why would you put a coach in that only coached one year and, like Marino, isn't solely responsible for the wins and losses a team achieves.
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