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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 04:30:05 am »

Gibril Wilson.  This guy is AWFUL.  The blame for the TD caught on Smith goes to Wilson IMO. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 07:38:33 am »

Bullshit.  Henne just has no accuracy. 

Secondary allowed the Pats to only score 21 points, they shouldn't get SOTG.  Where was Randy Moss in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter.  No where to be found.

I'm sorry, Tepop, but you're just drinking the Henne Haterade.  He might've overthrown some receivers at times, but for every boneheaded play he made, he came back with a brilliant one. 

He missed a wide open Lousaka Polite on third down, then hit Davonne Bess on fourth down. 

He's proven to me that he has the mental toughness to play in the NFL.  Mental toughness cannot be taught.  You either have it or you don't.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2009, 09:22:03 am »

Are you guys nuts?  Henne was throwing the ball away when he over-threw half of those receivers!  The ball in the end zone to Haynos?  Threw it away.  Over-throws to guys bracketed by double coverage?  Threw the ball away.

SOTG goes to the secondary.  Couldn't stay with Moss and Welker.

How about the miss to a wide open Fazano that should have been a TD? How about the miss to an even more wide open Polite on third down of the winning drive? Trust me, I'm not a typical Henne basher, but he missed wide open receivers without thrwoing the ball away.

After thinking on it a bit, Henne is not getting my shame of the game though. He did pull himself out of the messes he made. The shame goes to Pat White and I hate to say it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2009, 12:01:44 pm »

^^^Yeah, but the pass to Hartline in the end zone was a beaut.  The touchdown pass to Bess, where NE blitzed him up the middle, was nice too.  The snap from center (Henne was in the shotgun) was low.  He handled it and got the ball out to Bess, who had the middle nicely vacated by the NE blitz.

He handled a bad snap, picked the right guy, and delivered the ball in less than 1.5 seconds (in my estimation) with a howling NE blitz in his face.  That took stones, that took skills.  I think many QBs eat the ball in that situation, because, if you care to look at the replay, NE was in his face immediately, and I mean immediately.
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2009, 01:24:05 pm »

Tommy is right.  Henne missed the throw and made up for it by making a great throw next.  But had he not come back and made that next great throw, he'd be the guy to pick.  That's my point.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2009, 08:11:45 pm »

I will pick one play for my SOTG that could have backfired in Miamis favor.

It's when Pat White wildly pitched the option play to Williams which almost ended up as a disaster.

Phil Simms said it best. With Ronnie Brown out, Miami doesn't have the expertise in running the Wildcat because Brown was the triggerman. The formation flounders without Ronnie Brown.

 So shelve it and play smash mouth football.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2009, 11:23:47 pm »

I will pick one play for my SOTG that could have backfired in Miamis favor.

It's when Pat White wildly pitched the option play to Williams which almost ended up as a disaster.

Phil Simms said it best. With Ronnie Brown out, Miami doesn't have the expertise in running the Wildcat because Brown was the triggerman. The formation flounders without Ronnie Brown.

 So shelve it and play smash mouth football.

Teams have figured out how to stop it.  The Saints defense proved that as the game wore on.  Plus, losing Ronnie Brown really hurts.  I agree, get rid of it and start playing a traditional offense.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 12:25:11 am »

We only ran 2 wildcat plays, both with Pat White.  I don't think that's really a great judge of its effectiveness.
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 02:01:17 am »

I don't consider Pat White at QB a "wildcat" play.  What makes it Wildcat?  The fact that Pat White can't throw?  Did the Falcons run the "wildcat" every play for 4 years when Vick was their QB?

Just cause Pat White comes in doesn't mean its wildcat.  No unbalanced line, no RB in motion.  Its just a play with a different QB, IMO.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 09:31:21 am »

We only ran 2 wildcat plays, both with Pat White.  I don't think that's really a great judge of its effectiveness.

Those were not Wildcat plays. Pat White was just in a QB formation running an option play. The bad pitch play was like a hybrid of the wishbone and shotgun combined. .
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 10:19:41 am »

^^^It was a spread option, no?
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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2009, 10:35:38 am »

Maybe once, but one of them had White and three running backs if I remember the formation correctly. The spread option usually only has one back.
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2009, 10:58:15 am »

Gibril Wilson.  This guy is AWFUL.  The blame for the TD caught on Smith goes to Wilson IMO. 

Blame him for other plays if you like, but I can't blame him for that play.  He was a single deep safety.  He had two receivers, one of which was Moss, on the other side.  His responsibility was primarily to the other side.  If Wilson had broke on the ball immediately, he may have been able to stop Aiken somewhere around the 10, but even that would be debatable.  Smith should have known that his primary responsibility is to make the tackle when there is no safety help.  He went for the pick and got mugged in the process.

All of this = learning experience for Smith!

SOTG - Erik Walden for being downfield before the kick.  He basically gave the other team a free shot on our punter (and a fairly hard one at that).  For the most part, everyone played pretty well.  I had a hard time figuring out a single player to attribute SOTG to.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2009, 04:48:35 pm »

This is a nearly impossible week to pick one, but mine goes to Pat White for that botched pitch to Williams.  I really wish they'd get rid of the Pistol formation altogether.  I'm not saying don't use Pat White, or don't run the option plays with him, just don't use that formation anymore because every time we line up in it, everybody in the stadium knows it's a run. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2009, 12:27:58 pm »

This is a nearly impossible week to pick one, but mine goes to Pat White for that botched pitch to Williams.  I really wish they'd get rid of the Pistol formation altogether.  I'm not saying don't use Pat White, or don't run the option plays with him, just don't use that formation anymore because every time we line up in it, everybody in the stadium knows it's a run. 

I don't totally disagree.  But you have to admit that they were on White awfully quick.  I don't really think he just outright screwed up.  When he is in the game, the O-line needs to recognize that they are sending extra players off of the edge and sending them quick.

This will stop once he becomes a passing threat.  Be patient! 

I have really thought about this, and I think I like this project.  I know it isn't working yet, but I really think it will and when it does it could make our offense the most difficult offense to defend in the league.
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