Miami's receivers

[CF DolFan]

Watching the playoffs it has become apparent that more than a QB you need good recievers.  The ones who don't have to have every ball out front or in the numbers. It just seems to me that we are worse than I had thought when it comes to receivers.

[Tepop84]

no our problem is that henne is terrible.  if manning or brees were on our team, our receivers would look like pro bowlers.

[CF DolFan]

no our problem is that henne is terrible.  if manning or brees were on our team, our receivers would look like pro bowlers.

That is exactly my point. We do not have a receiver that can catch one of Manning's passes. No one can adjust to the pass. If it is not perfect then we have no chance. They certainly aren't going to pull the ball out of the air like his guys do ... especially thrown as hard. Our's would miss it and people like you would be complaining that Henne has no touch on the ball. Well apparently neither does Manning yet his receivers catch it. We need receivers like that.

[ethurst22a]

Like a pitcher, you have certain quarterbacks that can throw a fastball, change up, knuckleball, slider, etc. Dan Marino was the first guy that I've ever seen that can throw any kind of pass. Peyton Manning is the second. That's what makes Manning so damn good. It's not just throwing the ball, but based on the situation, what type of throw to make at what speed and velocity and it's not always the hard throw that gets it done.

Henne has NO TOUCH at all. Look at Manning this year. The only constants are Wayne and Clark on that offense and he was doing stuff with guys you never heard of (Collie, Garcon and Brown). The same goes for Drew Brees.

[Sunstroke]

Watching the playoffs it has become apparent that more than a QB you need good recievers.

No, no and double-no...  You need WRs, do doubt, but saying you need WRs more than you need a good QB is just crazy talk.

[dolfan13]

yes miami is in big need of an upgrade to its receiver corp. and i don't think that it is just one receiver either. im not sure they even have a true #2 on the roster right now.

this is a passing league, and maybe sometime in my lifetime the dolphins organization will figure this out. build a freaking passing attack that can score big points...

[CF DolFan]

I don't disagree Stroke. I din't mean for it to sound like we didn't need a good QB. I just think we have had such crappy receivers for so long that we don't realize how far we have to go. We've always known we needed a QB. Well ... everyone but Wanny.

Manning doesn't always put touch on his passese when he needs to. Sometimes his recievers have to make a plays and they do.  Our simply cannot do that.

Trust me I love Manning but his receivers help him out and ours do not.

[Brian Fein]

Are we seriously comparing a third-tier, second-year QB to possibly the best of all-time?

[CF DolFan]

Are we seriously comparing a third-tier, second-year QB to possibly the best of all-time?

Third tier?

Anyway absolutely not!! The point I'm making is about our receivers. Even our decent ones are bad because like I said they can't catch it unless it is in their numbers. Go back and watch yesterdays games and see how many times the receivers help their QBs. No one would have had the game they had with our guys. They aren't catching off their back shoulder, down low, or even over their heads.  This in no way correlates to Henne being Manning, Brees, or Favre. Just saying our guys are really not very good.

[Brian Fein]

Not to get off track from the point, but yes - third tier.  I like Henne but for right now, I see him as a third-tier QB.

Tier 1: P. Manning, Brady, Favre, Brees...
Tier 2: Palmer, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Warner, E. Manning, McNabb, Romo....
Tier 3: Sanchez, Henne, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan...

Not saying he can't or won't improve, but for now, I think he's a decent third tier QB.

(No doubt people are going to try to debate this, but let's keep it on topic here...)

[dolfan13]

i hope parcells and company were taking notes on that indy-jets game. the jets defense is scary good, and the team has gotten significantly better towards the end of the year through the playoffs.

you have to have a passing attack that is going to put some pressure on that defense. otherwise they will beat you down... you need a deep receiving corp to do it especially with revis basically taking away whatever part of the field he is covering. garcon is a freaking beast at #2, speed, hands, size, the whole package. clark can stretch the middle of the field, and collie is not too shabby either.

points come out of the passing game in this league. forget about having a good running game, that is history. i like henne, and now the trifecta has to get serious about building depth in the receiving corp. the current group we have right now is not even close.

[Tenshot13]

Manning doesn't always put touch on his passese when he needs to. Sometimes his recievers have to make a plays and they do.  Our simply cannot do that.

I don't know, because I've seen Bess numerous times this season do backflips to catch passes.

[Brian Fein]

I don't know, because I've seen Bess numerous times this season do backflips to catch passes.

Agreed....

And I disagree with the running game being dead.  Notice what the Colts did yesterday?  The Jets came out blitzing and punching Peyton in his mouth.  They went to the run.  The run slows down the blitz and makes the defense be honest.  For a team what has suspect talent on the pass, you have to use the run to set up the pass and open up the secondary.

[dolfan13]

having a suspect passing attack is not going to win you championships in today's nfl. scoring comes through the passing game, and high scoring teams use the pass to set up the run.

the running game is not dead, it is just secondary to today's high scoring passing attacks. the quicker the dolphins realize this, the better they will position themselves to be a consistent contender.

[ethurst22a]

Miami has had players (especially receivers) go somewhere else and blow up. There's a guy that Cutler is throwing to in Chicago that Miami gave up on which has become his favorite target. I even saw a Derek Hagan sighting and he was catching balls that he just did not catch in Miami.

Lets not even talk about Donald Lee, Desmond Clark, etc.

When you look at Dan Marino, he had every different kind of receiver in the book. Fast, (Duper), Possession (Clayton and McDuffie), pedestrian (Scott Miller) and hands of stone (Randall Hill) unknowns Fred Banks, etc. He made those guys look good because of the way he threw the ball. I think his bio says that he threw touchdowns to 55 different players.

Marino also gave them an incentive to get open.

The irony of this is that if you take the Dolphin offense from the mid 80's where it threw all the time and put it in this era, they would probably be in the Super Bowl. Their defense was average and their running game was nothing to write home about because they were throwing the ball and a lot of different receivers were catching it.

The 7:00 minute 15 play drive just does not work in the NFL anymore when you have QB's like Manning, Brees and Brady.