Understanding Tepop

[Tepop84]

so...hard...to...stay...quiet ...

if you want to comment then comment.  don't make these stupid passive aggressive omg i wanna comment but i can't posts.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ Take a joke already...and maybe consider mellowing out a bit on all the bitterness you seem to have toward individual players in a game that cannot possibly have much affect on the rest of your world. Your angst levels make JoeTex look like the Dalai Lama sometimes.

[jtex316]

It's pretty bad when I'm also thinking "dude, chill the F out".

[David Fulcher]

Devalue what.  Ronnie brown was the number 2 pick in the nfl draft and has had one 1000 yard rushing season (which isn't even impressive) in 5 seasons.

I think that your hatred of Chad Henne is pretty ridiculous and over-the-top to this point also (and I'm a huge Michigan fan and liked Chad a lot when he was there), especially considering that he was a 2nd year player last season with hardly any snaps taken during his rookie season, but I can at least give you that maybe some people "in these parts" are a little high on him considering what he has done to this point...which isn't a tremendous amount BUT at the same time, I don't think he's looked lost out there at all besides maybe when he initially got thrown into the SD game following Penny's injury (which is honestly excusable to me) and he led us on some awesome drives last season, even in games that we didn't end up winning (i.e., Tennessee game).  On the flipside, you might look at his INT thrown to Michael Griffin at the beginning of the OT period as yet another thing to point to about how Henne blew it, and I'll agree that I was disappointed in that play, especially considering we had the ball again with a chance to win in OT, but at the same time, as much as we were down by the middle of the 3rd quarter of that game, I also have to acknowledge that Henne played a big role in even getting us to that OT period. 

Enough about Henne, though, he's actually not even why I logged in to post on this topic.  I did that to respond/"defend" another one of your favorite angst recipients--Mr. Ronnie Brown (thus why I quoted that post of yours). 

I'm not gonna pull the stats, but you're right, Ronnie has had only one 1,000 yard season out of 5--but two of those other 4 seasons he was injured either halfway through the season (one in which he almost certainly would've topped 1,000--easily--given that he was THE offense for a squad that went 1-15) or not much past halfway like last season.  So, that absolutely has to be taken into account when making the statement that you did (and frequently do) concerning Ronnie's season-long production.  Also, in those other two seasons ('05 and '08?), he was definitely in a 2-back system and a lot of times neither guy will top 1,000 (which was the case for both of these guys in those seasons and probably would've been the case last season for Ricky had Ronnie not gotten injured).  I don't feel like that is an indictment of either one of those guy's play so much as it is a good thing to have two solid-to-really-good (with flashes of greatness) backs on your squad and use both of them fairly equally. 

I expect a lot out of Ronnie also considering a) his draft position and b) his pay level, but when the guy has been able to stay *healthy* (and unfortunately that has been a problem for him, though of no fault of his own), I think that he's played very well and even been great in spots.  I think his ypc average is *evidence* alone of that, along with his receiving skills out of the backfield.  He just needs to hit the hole harder more consistently (that's what she said, right?  ), and I think he'll be at the level that we've always expected.

Just keeping my fingers crossed he stays healthy/uninjured this season.....

[Tepop84]

Ronnie brown is not capable of handling the whole load.  Couldn't do it in college and can't do it now. 

[Tenshot13]

Ronnie brown is not capable of handling the whole load.  Couldn't do it in college and can't do it now. 

That's what she said, BAZINGUH!

[MaineDolFan]

I have to step in here and ask something:

Are we really asking someone to justify their likes and dislikes of a team?  The guy doesn't like Chad Henne.  He doesn't like Ronnie Brown.

So what?

Here is the thing - he is fairly justified in his dislike of Ronnie Brown.  Based on where Miami drafted Brown versus what has been delivered by Ronnie, I'm not 100% sold that we did ourselves any favors by taking the guy.  In a world where 1,400 yard rushers seemingly come out of nowhere every year, and the needs Miami could have filled in other places with that pick, I'm not understanding why you guys are calling Tepop out so much on Brown.

I like Ronnie Brown.  When he is on the field he's a good player.  Not great.  Good.  Overall #2 pick - highest Miami's history that I can remember...shouldn't we have recevied GREAT versus good? 

Henne may or may not be a great player.  He is, at worst, average right now.  I disagree with Tepop's stance on Henne.  I also disagree with the guy being asked to justify his stance and then being (kind of) attacked over it. 

My two cents.

[Dave Gray]

Yes, I'm asking him to justify his stance.  There's nothing wrong with that.  This is a message board.  That's what it's for -- posting opinions, and then having other people debate them and question them.

Tepop has some valid points, but I find that a lot of his feelings are rooting in an unhealthy vehement dislike, which feels a lot like rooting against the players on the team that he claims to love.  It's also odd that he chooses people to single out that are generally liked by fans, almost playing the role of the intentional contrarian.  While Ronnie Brown, Parcells, and Henne are certainly worthy of criticism, it feels like Tepop's stance goes beyond that criticism and into a realm of detest.

As someone who posts here every day and interests with Tepop on a regular basis, I just want to understand where he's coming from.

[Phishfan]

Maine, everyone on this board has likely been asked to justify their position on any number of topics. Now this is the only instance I remember of a thread being dedicated to it though.

[Tepop84]

I do not hope the players fail, i just point out when they do. Also, I point out stuff that gets blamed on them when it isn't their fault such as replies 11-16 in this thread  http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=15800.0

[Brian Fein]

Overall #2 pick - highest Miami's history that I can remember...

Not to nit-pick, but you might remember a guy named Jake Long who was taken at #1 overall...

Just sayin'

[Defense54]

It's pretty bad when I'm also thinking "dude, chill the F out".

Ha! Post of the Month!!!   

[MaineDolFan]

Maine, everyone on this board has likely been asked to justify their position on any number of topics. Now this is the only instance I remember of a thread being dedicated to it though.

Sure.  My opinion is that this felt more like a witch hunt than clarification.  Dave's original post is fine.  Asking for objective measures to flatten a subjective opinion.  The posts that followed, again my opinion, weren't "fine."  I don't agree with taking a baseball bat to the guy's ribs because he has views that differ from someone else's. 

I'm a die hard Red Sox fan.  I can't stand David Ortiz, Papelbon, not a huge Ellsbury fan...three fairly large "cogs" into who the Sox are.  If someone jumped on me the way Tepop was jumped on here about my opinion, I'm not sure the answers received would have been pleasant.

When the guy answers his answers weren't good enough for some of you.  He gave you A-Z on Ronnie Brown.  Talked about his salary.  That was disputed.  He came back with solid facts about it not being the overall pay but what HIS pay represents to THIS team (cap wise), thus hindering the team in it's ability to perhaps make an addition.  I thought that breakdown was outstanding.  I never looked at Brown that way before.

I don't like the guy's opinions.  That said - if you look INSIDE the opinions he knows FAR TOO MUCH about the Dolphins to be a troll.  The guy is a fan.  Ultimately I believe the thread was putting that into question.

Trust me, Tepop and I won't be tipping pints back together any time soon.   That said, I think there is "asking" and "piling on."  Dave asked.  A bunch of others smelled blood in the water and piled on.  I didn't find it cool.   

[Defense54]

Sure.  My opinion is that this felt more like a witch hunt than clarification.  Dave's original post is fine.  Asking for objective measures to flatten a subjective opinion.  The posts that followed, again my opinion, weren't "fine."  I don't agree with taking a baseball bat to the guy's ribs because he has views that differ from someone else's. 

I'm a die hard Red Sox fan.  I can't stand David Ortiz, Papelbon, not a huge Ellsbury fan...three fairly large "cogs" into who the Sox are.  If someone jumped on me the way Tepop was jumped on here about my opinion, I'm not sure the answers received would have been pleasant.

When the guy answers his answers weren't good enough for some of you.  He gave you A-Z on Ronnie Brown.  Talked about his salary.  That was disputed.  He came back with solid facts about it not being the overall pay but what HIS pay represents to THIS team (cap wise), thus hindering the team in it's ability to perhaps make an addition.  I thought that breakdown was outstanding.  I never looked at Brown that way before.

I don't like the guy's opinions.  That said - if you look INSIDE the opinions he knows FAR TOO MUCH about the Dolphins to be a troll.  The guy is a fan.  Ultimately I believe the thread was putting that into question.

Trust me, Tepop and I won't be tipping pints back together any time soon.   That said, I think there is "asking" and "piling on."  Dave asked.  A bunch of others smelled blood in the water and piled on.  I didn't find it cool.   

Wow.  You really thought about this huh? Your  Reasonable conclusion proves he is a fan. Just a shitty fan. Maybe your really were a cop in the military? 

[MaineDolFan]

^Or maybe a 300 pound guy living in Florida pretending to be a cop now while really spending my time surfing for hamster porn?  Funny thing about living on the internet, any person can "be" anything that they want.

Again, I could care less about the guy.  I don't understand the piling on.  Who doesn't know that one guy that "likes" a team yet bitches about everything that team does?  I'm quite sure Miami could go undefeated and set offensive and defensive records along the way and he would find something to hate about the team.