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« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2010, 05:10:43 pm »

Thomas didn’t make an all decade team, he hasn’t broken any records, he wasn’t a part of any championships.  He hasn’t been named to any all decade, or all time lists.
Except for, you know, the 2000 NFL All-Decade Team.

But I'm sure you will quickly spin that into a meaningless accomplishment (immediately after touting it for Randle and Tippett).

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So what has Zach Thomas done to earn a place in history?  The list of non indcuted playes who have made as many pro-powls as him is pretty dam long.
That's because Pro Bowls are pretty damned insignificant (at the potential-HOF level), particularly when you have large groups of players sitting out (with "injuries") and the 4th and 5th backup choices at a position (in that conference!) playing.  David freaking Garrard was a Pro Bowler this year.

All-Pro is a different story.  There are no substitute All-Pro selections, and it doesn't matter if your conference is stacked or weak at that position; it's simply the best of the best in the league.  Zach has more All-Pro selections (particularly first-team) than the majority of HOF candidates; hell, he has more first-team selections than a lot of the players already in the Hall.

That, to me, is the key; not stats like tackles or sacks (which vary from era to era) but simply: how was this player compared to his peers?  And empirically speaking, Zach was selected as the best in the league (first-team All-Pro) more than all but a tiny handful of players ever to put on the pads.

That's what the Hall of Fame is about: not the Willie McGinests of the world, who have Belichick and Brady fall into their lap and ride the coattails for a few rings, but the players who prove that they stand out among their peers even when not on a high-profile championship team.
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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2010, 05:13:18 pm »

Also, Zach was named best MLB in his conference 1 time.
Sources, please.
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« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2010, 05:14:50 pm »

I'm probably not inferring his total sack count as a reason because, you know, that wasn't what he mentioned.  

I didn't give you he entire fucking bio.  I was answering what history he made. Each of the players you want to compare Zach to has done "something more".  

Yes, Zach has been to the pro-bowl multiple times and for that reason he deserves to be in the Hall of the Very Good.  

What nobody has yet to make the case for is what has he done to be in the Hall of Fame.  
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« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2010, 05:14:58 pm »

Sources, please.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomZa01.htm

pro-football weekly.  It was the year that ray lewis only played 5 or six games, and zach was named to the all-pro team that year.  and one of zachs second team all pros was the other year ray lewis only played 5 or 6 games. 
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« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2010, 05:16:08 pm »

Zach:
 
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1998   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
1999   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
2001   Associated Press: 2nd Team All-NFL
2002   Pro Football Weekly: 1st Team All-Conf.
    Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
2003   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
2005   Associated Press: 2nd Team All-NFL
2006   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL

Ray Lewis
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1997   Associated Press: 2nd Team All-NFL
1998   Associated Press: 2nd Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
1999   Pro Football Weekly: 1st Team All-Conf.
    Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Pro Football Writers: 1st Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
2000   Pro Football Weekly: 1st Team All-Conf.
    Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Pro Football Writers: 1st Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
2001   Pro Football Weekly: 1st Team All-Conf.
    Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
2003   Pro Football Weekly: 1st Team All-Conf.
    Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Pro Football Writers: 1st Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
2004   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Sporting News: 1st Team All-NFL
2008   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
    Pro Football Writers: 1st Team All-NFL
2009   Associated Press: 1st Team All-NFL
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« Reply #125 on: June 02, 2010, 05:23:19 pm »

That's funny, because to me, it looks like he was voted best MLB in the league 5 times (the five times he was 1st-Team All-NFL).  Unless you're talking about the Pro Football Weekly award that no one cares about?  Why not cite the ESPYs while were at it?
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« Reply #126 on: June 02, 2010, 05:35:31 pm »

Zach aint no Ray-Ray thats for sure. But he had a h.o.f. career even though he stuck around too long they all do if thier body lets them. i'm scared of Ray Lewis and i've never even met him kinda like Mike Tyson. What he brings cant be summed up in stats alone. Zach was one of the best of his time even though he might not have been top 3 on that d. Yes he thrived in a system where as lewis would have dominated anywhere. This started off as a pro Thomas post.
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« Reply #127 on: June 02, 2010, 05:51:45 pm »

What fucking history has Thomas made?
Best forward flip into the endzone to score a TD on a game winning INT.  Lights out man. LOL
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« Reply #128 on: June 03, 2010, 10:17:08 pm »

Best forward flip into the endzone to score a TD on a game winning INT.  Lights out man. LOL

Agreed.  That was so awesome if that's the game I think you're talking about (Dolphins-Titans 2001?)   Cheesy
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