One game in: How do you feel about Jason Taylor?

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Bryan Cox played for the f*cking Jets!

And the Patsies!!!!!

[Brian Fein]

But the hatred at the time was Buffalo.  The Jets and Pats both sucked back then.  Our biggest rival in the early 90's was Buffalo by far!

[Spider-Dan]

He played for NE in 2001, the year that they won the SB, 4 years after they went to the SB with Parcells.

And by your logic, we should hate Welker more than Taylor, as Welker went to the Pats (who have went to 4 SBs in the last ten years) while the Jets haven't done sh*t since forever.

If you primarily hated Buffalo in the '90s, you should hate New England now.  Hatred for the Jets is independent of record.

[Brian Fein]

I didn't hate the Bills cause they went to the Super Bowl.  I hated the Bills because they always beat us.  The rivalry was strong at the time.

If you recall a few years ago, the Jets had beat the Dolphins like 8 or 10 games in a row. 

I also hate the Patriots, but not nearly as much as the Jets.  I pretty much am indifferent about the Bills now, since they are no threat.

[Spider-Dan]

I didn't hate the Bills cause they went to the Super Bowl.  I hated the Bills because they always beat us.  The rivalry was strong at the time.

BUF vs. MIA from 1990 (BUF's first SB) to 1996 (Kelly's last year): BUF had 8 wins and 6 losses, with a 2-0 playoff record against MIA.

NE vs. MIA for the next 7 years (1997-2003): NE had 7 wins and 7 losses, with a 1-0 playoff record against MIA.

Or, if you'd prefer:

NE vs. MIA from 2001 - 2007: NE had 9 wins and 5 losses, with no playoff meetings between the two.

All of this is ignoring the fact that a) BUF never actually won anything, while NE won 3 titles and b) BUF did not have an undefeated regular season and come a couple minutes from greatly diminishing the Miami Dolphins franchise's greatest achievement.

So why don't you hate NE, again?

[Brian Fein]

Jesus, people am I not allowed to have a dam opinion without having facts to back it up?

I have to have numbers to say why I hate one team more than another?  I just do.  Really... 

[Dave Gray]

I don't hate the Pats.  Even now, when they're good.  I hope they lose, but there is still some sort of admiration there.  I hate the Jets.  ...and I dislike the Bills.  But nowhere near the Jets. 

I think that my hatred for the Jets is greater than all other NFL teams combined.

[fyo]

I hate the Patriots.

I hate the Patriots more than any other team in the league.

The Jets are up there as well.

I'm completely indifferent to Buffalo. I'd prefer they lose or win depending on the benefit to the Dolphins.

[Kid Dynamite]

I don't hate the Pats. I want them to lose but its not hate...

I used to hate the Bill but since that rivalry has died down I don't have that deep seeded hate for them anymore.

Now the JETS are a different story. I hated them in the 90's and I hate them now. They can turn into a 0-15 team with no chance of beating the fins and I will still hate them.. I hate their fans, and I hate the fact that everytime I go to a Dolphin-Jet game I have to sit close to some annoying drunk New Yorker who talks crap about our city and our team.

To answer the question. Taylor is now a JET.. I hate him.

[Spider-Dan]

Jesus, people am I not allowed to have a dam opinion without having facts to back it up?

Sure you are.  It's when you try to justify your opinion with verifiable facts that you run into trouble.

If you had said that you hated Buffalo because you can't stand Marv Levy, fine.  If it's because their fans are jerks, great.  But if you're going to say it's because they "always beat us," well, NE's record against MIA (during their good run) is pretty similar to BUF's record against MIA (during their good run).

So if you are going to appeal to logic, you need to have some consistency.

[Dave Gray]

I don't have access to records at the moment, but I remember that when I was in my first few years of high school ('92-'94), that Buffalo seemed to beat us when we needed a win, either late in the season or in the playoffs.  That time in my life was when I was most intense about being a Dolphins fan, so I'm sure that shaped by identity as a fan, greatly.

[Tenshot13]

The Jets are the number 1 team I hate.  The Patriots would probably be 1a.

[SportsChick]

BUF vs. MIA from 1990 (BUF's first SB) to 1996 (Kelly's last year): BUF had 8 wins and 6 losses, with a 2-0 playoff record against MIA.

NE vs. MIA for the next 7 years (1997-2003): NE had 7 wins and 7 losses, with a 1-0 playoff record against MIA.

Or, if you'd prefer:

NE vs. MIA from 2001 - 2007: NE had 9 wins and 5 losses, with no playoff meetings between the two.

All of this is ignoring the fact that a) BUF never actually won anything, while NE won 3 titles and b) BUF did not have an undefeated regular season and come a couple minutes from greatly diminishing the Miami Dolphins franchise's greatest achievement.

So why don't you hate NE, again?

Because his fiancée is a Pats fan and it's not good to hate their team. We both have mutual dislike for each other's team, but hate is quite strong when you're sharing a house

[Brian Fein]

Sure you are.  It's when you try to justify your opinion with verifiable facts that you run into trouble.

If you had said that you hated Buffalo because you can't stand Marv Levy, fine.  If it's because their fans are jerks, great.  But if you're going to say it's because they "always beat us," well, NE's record against MIA (during their good run) is pretty similar to BUF's record against MIA (during their good run).

So if you are going to appeal to logic, you need to have some consistency.

The difference is that when Buffalo was good, so was Miami.  You said it yourself -

Buffalo beat us twice in the playoffs.  Once was a AFC Championship Game.  These losses were far more heartbreaking.  The Patriots never beat the Dolphins in the playoffs when they were winning.  The Dolphins were mediocre during those years and were expected to lose those games.

I still don't feel the need to justify this. 

In addition, when the Patriots were beating everyone, the Jets had taken the forefront of the hatred, whereas when Buffalo was good, the Jets and Pats were off my mental radar screen.

Besides, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I like the Chargers more than the Cowboys.  Do I have to provide facts of why?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I like the Chargers more than the Cowboys.  Do I have to provide facts of why?

Yes, please justify this position.