TDMMC Cheerleader Contest 2010 - Rd 2 - SHULA Group

[Dave Gray]

^ I thought about that, but I didn't want it to color the results.  But I don't have that data, since I didn't organize them that way.  I ranked them 1-16, based on percentage of the vote in the previous heat.

I split up the highest vote-getters so that we'd have the best ones last.  I can list seeds in the next round, though.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

To answer the question in the thread, yes, in theory (and on the internet, where most everything is theory), I have heard other men say that they prefer Bs or Cs to DDs.  In actual, real life, I have never, ever heard a man discuss a physically present woman (i.e. currently or recently in visual range) and say that that specific woman would be hotter with smaller breasts.  And I've heard the opposite countless times (e.g. "kids would starve").

I believe that can be explain by the peer pressure aspect of it being generally accepted to want bigger breasts than smaller ones. 

The reason why YOU may have not ever heard it.  While I have heard it and Sunny has said it, is because YOUR friends fear a tongue-lashing from you regarding there being something wrong with them for having abnormal view of breast size. 

Both boys and girls are taught at a young age boys are suppose to like girls with bigger boobs.  A boy liking a girl with smaller boobs is almost but not quite as abnormal and socially unacceptable as a boy liking boys over girls.  And a common reaction to a male saying he likes smaller breasts is "what are you gay?"

The reason why you have heard it on the internet was the anonymous poster didn't have to fear your rebuke.  Sometime folks are more honest on the internet.  I know I have posted thing anonymously that I don't tell live people. 

And while this isn't live, it is a specific person....IMHO, Samantha and a few of the others would be hotter looking if they were a bit smaller. 

[Spider-Dan]

From what I have read, humans developed external breast (as opposed to other mammals who are internal) because of the evolution of our faces to flat.

The most popular breasts in the world seem to contradict this theory.

[StL FinFan]

As Hoodie stated earlier, that is probably due to humans selectively breeding cows to produce large amounts of milk.  I agree with that.  You do not see huge udders hanging off of any kind of wild cattle.

[Spider-Dan]

I believe that can be explain by the peer pressure aspect of it being generally accepted to want bigger breasts than smaller ones. 

The reason why YOU may have not ever heard it.  While I have heard it and Sunny has said it, is because YOUR friends fear a tongue-lashing from you regarding there being something wrong with them for having abnormal view of breast size.

If this were true, why would these same guys be happy to explain that they prefer Bs or Cs over DDs?

Personally, I attribute the phenomenon to a different mechanism.  The closest analogy I can pick is: penis size.

There are plenty of women who are not "size queens" and say that they prefer a medium-sized penis, etc.  Like men with breast size, I believe that a large factor in those statements is a personal evaluation of oneself; you don't want to be one of "those people" who are superficially obsessed with size, so by stating your hypothetical preference for medium-sized organs, you are highlighting how reasonable you are.

But at the end of the day, if you look at how many women will stop returning a guy's calls because he's just too ridiculously huge, I don't think that number is going to be significant.  (It's slightly different because discriminating based on breast size is a lot easier, in a practical sense, than discriminating based on penis size, but it's still reasonably close.)

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^What she said.

Humans and cattle aren't in a linear descent on the evolutionary latter.  Humans are the only primates with external breasts.  Scientist believe that humans evolved this way when our faces got flat.  Cattle's evolutionary path was a bit different and may occurred separately for separate reasons.  

I inadvertent left out the word "most" in the line you quoted.  Most other mammals do not have external breasts.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

But at the end of the day, if you look at how many women will stop returning a guy's calls because he's just too ridiculously huge, I don't think that number is going to be significant.  (It's slightly different because discriminating based on breast size is a lot easier, in a practical sense, than discriminating based on penis size, but it's still reasonably close.)

Do that many women stop returning guys calls because his penis is too small? 

I think the penis analogy is a good one.  For all we stress over how much dick size I don't know of single actual instance where a girl rejected a guy because his dick was too small.  It is possible that this is because the women didn't want to be rude and gave a different answer, but I have never heard a guy say he got dumped for having too small of a penis.  I have never heard a women say she dumped a guy because he was too small.

In fact I only know of one girl who really cared about the size.  When we were just starting the foreplay stage she told me that really large men hurt and she would only have sex with regular sized men and preferred it to be a bit smaller than average.  She went on to say that if I was porn star sized she would give me a hand job or a blow job but it wasn't going in.  I told her I was not a porn star. When I was full erect and she declared that it was "perfect", it was a bit of a blow to my ego.  But what we started doing quickly made me feel pretty good and I got over it.   

[StL FinFan]

I do not know a single woman who ever complained about a guy being too small.  I have heard a few complain that a guys was so large it hurt to have sex.  Mostly we don't even discuss penis size when discussing quality of sex.

[Dave Gray]

In this heat, I think Jennifer has aroused enough support in coming this far to be able to slide in a little further, while Amy has erected a fan base of her own, and should offer some stiff competition as they go down the stretch.

I have nothing more to add to this except props because it made me laugh.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Spider,

You reject the idea that peer pressure and cultural are a factor in most guys going along with bigger is better, so please explain the following to me....

In high school a classmate of mine and his teammates were admiring the cheerleaders practicing.  One of his teammates made a comment about the breasts well endowed girls.  He responded that he preferred a couple of the more perky cheerleaders and found large breast unattractive.  To wit he was asked if he was gay and generally ridiculed for his preference in breast size.

1) If the is not evidence of peer pressure by guys to other guys to like larger breasted women, then what the hell is it?

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My suite-mate liked flat chested women.  His porn magazine collection consisted solely of flat chested women.  He dated flat chested women.   However when in a group of guys were out and someone would point out a woman with large breast, he would agree that she was hot even though he didn't find her attractive. 

2) Why would he lie to his buddies, if not for peer pressure to like large breasts?

When I found his flat chested porn, he was worried about my reaction and  begged me not to tell others of his preference for flat chested women. 

3) Why would this be the case if not for the peer pressure to like large breasts? 

Not long after his flat chested girl friend found his collection of flat chested porn she stopped wearing pushup bras and other garments that made her look like she had small breast as opposed to no breasts.  She would also tell classmates that the reason why she was no longer hiding her flatness was her boyfriend though she looked more sexy this way.  This embarrassed him as he didn't want the entire campus to know he preferred flat chested chicks.

4) Why would a boy who likes flat chested girls and who is dating a flat chested girl be embarrassed by her telling others that her boyfriend finds her flatness sexy, if not for the peer pressure to like large breasts?

As a sidenote:  The finding of the porn was quite an epiphany for her.  It was on that day she realized that her boyfriend was not lying to her and actually did like her just the way she was.  And not only that there was enough guys in the world who also digged chicks like her to keep several porn magazines profitable.   (The only porn she had known of before hand involved women of an entirely different body style than hers and those magazines had the affect of making her feel quite inferior. )  It was on this day that she stopped being embarrassed by her own body, gain a huge level of self confidence, self esteem and began taking pride in her own nips.  Actually  too much pride in her own nips, but that is another story.  It was this kind of a epiphany that I wanted my crazy gf that I have discussed elsewhere to have.     

You state,

  I believe that a large factor in those statements is a personal evaluation of oneself; you don't want to be one of "those people" who are superficially obsessed with size, so by stating your hypothetical preference for medium-sized organs, you are highlighting how reasonable you are.

5) Wouldn't the more "reasonable" or "less superficially" response be "size doesn't matter"  rather than than the Goldilocks answer? 

Sunstroke has mentioned he prefers "perky" instead of large.  You seem to be attributing this to Sunstroke wanting to sound reasonable and politically correct. 

6) What has Sunstroke ever said or done that would lead you to believe he would post an artificial and false statement in an effort to avoid offending others over posting an honest and blunt answer regardless if this would offend other?

[Sunstroke]

Sunstroke has mentioned he prefers "perky" instead of large.  You seem to be attributing this to Sunstroke wanting to sound reasonable and politically correct. 

6) What has Sunstroke ever said or done that would lead you to believe he would post an artificial and false statement in an effort to avoid offending others over posting an honest and blunt answer regardless if this would offend other?

I honestly have zero interest in being politically correct, and even less in being something other than myself in order to appear "reasonable" based on other people's standards. When I say I prefer "perky breasts more than large breasts," you can take that as literally as when I say "I like bacon more than liverwurst" or "I like chocolate more than cat poop" or "I like chocolate covered bacon more than cat poop that was squeezed out by a cat who just ate some liverwurst."

The perkiest breasts in the Shula group belong to Jennifer, and for that divine perkiness, she received my vote...

[Spider-Dan]

1) If the is not evidence of peer pressure by guys to other guys to like larger breasted women, then what the hell is it?
Guys giving another guy crap for a choice that they personally disagree with?  I'd get the same kind of crap from my friends if I bought a Miata.

2) Why would he lie to his buddies, if not for peer pressure to like large breasts?
You'd have to ask him.  If there's a girl that I find unattractive, I can usually think of more than one reason.

As far as you finding his porn collection: yes, flat chested women probably fall into the "fetish" category.  Then again, so do the triple-F sized women, so...

3) is redundant.

4) Why would a boy who likes flat chested girls and who is dating a flat chested girl be embarrassed by her telling others that her boyfriend finds her flatness sexy, if not for the peer pressure to like large breasts?
This presumes that he would be less embarrassed if she told people that he was paying for her to get enormous, FFF-sized implants.

Extremes at either end will be considered freaky.

5) Wouldn't the more "reasonable" or "less superficially" response be "size doesn't matter"  rather than than the Goldilocks answer? 
"Size doesn't matter" is a non-answer, and is transparently evading the question.

6) What has Sunstroke ever said or done that would lead you to believe he would post an artificial and false statement in an effort to avoid offending others over posting an honest and blunt answer regardless if this would offend other?
You are inferring deceit where I have never implied it.

When a girl says that she prefers responsible, intelligent men, and yet she actually dates belligerent alpha-male frat boys, is she lying?

[Sunstroke]

When a girl says that she prefers responsible, intelligent men, and yet she actually dates belligerent alpha-male frat boys, is she lying?

If she has as many opportunities to date responsible, intelligent men as she does the belligerent alpha frat boys, and still dates the frat boys, then yes...she's either lying to you or to herself.

[Sunstroke]

...and to bring things back on track:

If Jennifer the Perky prefers an intelligent, responsible man...I can do that. If she digs on the belligerent alpha male types, I can play that role for her as well.

[fyo]

This really is one of the stranger threads I've ever read on any message board.