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Pappy13
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« on: February 25, 2011, 10:24:32 am »
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/25987/chad-henne-better-than-you-might-think

I can't read the full article because I'm not an ESPN insider.  If you are, care to share any tidbits from the article?  The 15 dropped interceptions for Sanchez is pretty shocking.  That's a HUGE number, but it does kinda confirm what I've thought while watching him, that Sanchez gets way too much credit and not enough blame.  Just the exact opposite of Henne.

Henne by the way did NOT have 19 INT's.  He had 18 and one mystery INT in Pittsburgh.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 03:11:04 pm »
The source for this data is footballoutsiders.com. They ran a story on it right after the season. I've been reluctant to bring it up for a couple different reasons (although probably mainly because "the haters" would never change their minds).

I'll dig up a link real quick:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/fo-mailbag-dropped-interceptions
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 05:03:11 pm »
Quote from: fyo on February 25, 2011, 03:11:04 pm
The source for this data is footballoutsiders.com. They ran a story on it right after the season. I've been reluctant to bring it up for a couple different reasons (although probably mainly because "the haters" would never change their minds).

I'll dig up a link real quick:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/fo-mailbag-dropped-interceptions

What exactly is a hater and where did these silly terms come from. Can someone give me a definition please. I guess that I'm showing my age !!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 05:07:50 pm »
considering his receivers and offensive line, 22nd in DVOA isn't good.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 05:12:19 pm »
Quote from: badger6 on February 25, 2011, 05:03:11 pm
What exactly is a hater and where did these silly terms come from. Can someone give me a definition please. I guess that I'm showing my age !!!
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hater

Noun
hater (plural haters)

1.One who hates.
2.(slang, pejorative) One who expresses unfounded or inappropriate hatred or dislike, particularly if motivated by envy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 05:18:01 pm »
Quote from: tepop84 on February 25, 2011, 05:07:50 pm
considering his receivers and offensive line, 22nd in DVOA isn't good.
What was so special about his offensive line in 2010?  Outside of Long, no one would be considered special and Long was injured for a good part of the year as were many of the others.  By the end of the year, the Dolphins had a revolving door at just about every position on the offensive line except for LT.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 05:36:14 pm »
Quote from: Pappy13 on February 25, 2011, 05:12:19 pm
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hater

Noun
hater (plural haters)

1.One who hates.
2.(slang, pejorative) One who expresses unfounded or inappropriate hatred or dislike, particularly if motivated by envy.

Ha, ha, wiktionary. I tried to find it in a real paper dictionary and it wasn't there.

Anyhow, the term doesn't really apply. The dislike for Henne is very founded and appropriate, since his play is not up to par for a winning franchise in the NFL. And I doubt that anyone that is a so called "hater" is motivated by envy of Henne.

Envy of Henne, that's funny as hell...........
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 05:40:31 pm »
Quote from: badger6 on February 25, 2011, 05:36:14 pm
Ha, ha, wiktionary. I tried to find it in a real paper dictionary and it wasn't there.

Anyhow, the term doesn't really apply. The dislike for Henne is very founded and appropriate, since his play is not up to par for a winning franchise in the NFL. And I doubt that anyone that is a so called "hater" is motivated by envy of Henne.

Envy of Henne, that's funny as hell...........
It doesn't necessarily have to be motivated by envy of Henne, it could very well be motivated by envy of other QB's.  The fact that Miami passed on Ryan for instance and chose Henne in the 2nd round seems to be a source of dislike toward Henne for some.  That would in fact fit the definition of hater perfectly.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 05:51:01 pm »
Quote from: Pappy13 on February 25, 2011, 05:40:31 pm
It doesn't necessarily have to be motivated by envy of Henne, it could very well be motivated by envy of other QB's.  The fact that Miami passed on Ryan for instance and chose Henne in the 2nd round seems to be a source of anger toward Henne for some.  That would in fact fit the definition of hater perfectly.

Not really. I don't hate Henne, I just think he sucks. And he has sucked. What should we label people that approve of things ? Lovers ? Nuthuggers ? No, because at the end of the day we just don't agree. But the fact remains that Henne does indeed suck. So I guess when it's all said and done it's actually Henne's fault that there are so many "Henne Haters"..................
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2011, 05:55:20 pm »
Let me clarify on the "haters" comment: There are some people on this site who appear to have a very strong, bordering on irrational, dislike for certain players (Henne, in the context above). They will cast every good performance by the player in the worst possible light, while highlighting every bad performance, downplaying or (usually) ignoring any mitigating circumstances.

There are plenty of rational posters. The majority, even, but there are certain players that I've just given up trying to discuss here because the "hater minority" is an exceptionally VOCAL one, drowning out and derailing any attempt at objectively discussing those players.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2011, 06:01:09 pm »
Quote from: badger6 on February 25, 2011, 05:51:01 pm
Not really. I don't hate Henne, I just think he sucks.
Who said anyone was talking about you?  Do you have a guilty conscience or something. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 07:23:27 pm »
Quote from: Pappy13 on February 25, 2011, 06:01:09 pm
Who said anyone was talking about you?  Do you have a guilty conscience or something. Smiley

Guilty ? Ha, ha, ha, Pappy you crack me up. You made my day with that. Now it's time to take a dip in the makers mark  Evil
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2011, 09:16:11 am »
How good or bad he is has a lot to do with what you expect from him.

If you are comparing him to other AFCE QBs he is on par or better than 2 other teams, but sucks royally when compared to one other team's QB in the AFCE. 

If you compare him to most of the QBs in the Dolphin's history he is on par or better, if you compare him to Dan Marino he blows. 

He is an average middle of the road QB.  He is not Drew Brees but he isn't Ryan Leaf or even Jimmy Clausen bad either. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2011, 01:07:43 pm »
I would define someone as a hater if Henne did something well and they refused to acknowledge it. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 07:29:46 am »
Mike Mayock was on WQAM on the Michael Irvin Show the other day. Audio might be archived. He said this on Henne and the QB's in this upcoming draft....


-Gabbert will go in the top 10
-Newton may drop out of the top 10 because his work ethic
-Said he wouldn't touch Mallet in the 1st round
-Jake Locker is  a QB that he likes alot and who is faster than Cam Newton,
-Chad Henne will never be anything more than a backup QB in this league.
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