Is this what Dolphins fans have come to?

[StL FinFan]

On fb today, the question was put as to whether Henne will make it or break it this upcoming season.  The overwhelming response was basically "Henne sucks.  Get rid of him."  Very few offered suggestions of who the Dolphins would get in his place and most of them were to draft someone else. 

Is this what we have come to?  If a quarterback does not produce right away, we throw him on the scrap heap and draft someone else?  Are we that spoiled?  IMO, none of the QB in this draft class are ready to step in and be a starter.  I understand the frustration, but the total lack of patience makes me embarrassed to be a Dolfan.

[masterfins]

^^^Me too.  We have become a disposable society.

[Doc-phin]

I understand the post, but when you see a modern day QB blow up at the end of games and be useless time and time again in the 2 minute drill it is time to start making some assumptions.

If Henne was really as controlled and limited by his coaches as the reports portrayed then perhaps there is something to salvage.  Only the coaches know what Henne was being told and taught to do.  If he managed to suck that bad all on his own then the fans are right!

Let him stay and compete but if he isn't showing competency in situational drills and two minute work by the end of training camp I don't want to see him on Sunday.

We all know what alternatives are out there, I don't think fans need to pick the one they want.  Some might prefer a Kolb or a Young but the coaches know what system we are going to run and who fits it best.  I would say be happy the fans aren't shouting one name.

[Sunstroke]

Let him stay and compete but if he isn't showing competency in situational drills and two minute work by the end of training camp I don't want to see him on Sunday.

I've been pretty optimistic on Henne to this point, but I have to agree that he needs to show he should be out there on the field. If the coaches think he gives Miami the best chance to win when the season starts, OK...but I'm starting to lose faith.

[masterfins]

It's not just Henne, it's any player/coach/team, etc.  A player has a bad game and fans are screaming to bench him and put in the second stringer.  A team has a bad year and the fans are screaming to fire all the coaches and front office.  People have no patience.  Yes, I understand there are times when people need to be replaced, but some fans just have a knee jerk reaction to fire the guy without thinking things out.

[Doc-phin]

I recognize the knee jerk quality to the comments that are being made, but in reality there is evidence to suggest that, with the exception of Mike Nolan as DC, this staff is not going to get us to the Super Bowl.

In short, they have shown the tendency to be very conservative.  Conservative hasn't been doing well in the post season for quite some time.  Even the Wildcat was conservative in many regards and it is the only piece of evidence that our staff has the nuggets to get us beyond the regular season.

Great players and great team chemistry are the primary sources of success in this league, there is evidence on the table that suggests our coaches are willing to hand cuff our players and eliminate our chances in the name of rehashing a philosophy that hasn't worked in many years.  Therefore, I can't say that the comments are knee jerk.

On the other hand, while many people see it as lip service, the comments made by Ross at the conclusion of the season carry weight and the hope of change.  Daboll makes us wonder exactly how serious our staffs assurances are of a shift in offensive mindset.  Based on Ross' comments, I feel very certain that another season of oversimplified play calling and efforts to keep the game close in order to give a chance to win in the end will result in some serious firing next offseason. 

[MikeO]

^^^ BINGO!! You nailed it!! Actions speak louder than words. Miami's actions have been laughable this offseason.

And the Fins are trying to build a 1980's team to win in a 2000's league. The days of running the ball and controling clock are dead and gone!! You must be able to have speed at WR, have a big threat at TE, and throw the ball down the field!! Get the HUGE plays in the passing game. Get the big 30-40 yard pass interference calls. Attack...attack....attack! The Rules are Set Up for that. And we aren't taking advantage of it. 3/4 of the league is playing by one set of rules. ANd Miami is in the 1/4 playing an outdated game and by a different set of rules almost.

Instead we are running the wildcat and trying to grind out wins. We don't draft players at positions that WIN in this league. We need speed at WR. We have size at WR and no speed. We need an athletic TE. We have a 1980's Mark Bavaro clone at TE.

We are trying to put square pegs in the triangle hole. IT DOESN'T WORK!!!  Look around the league, who are the big-time teams.....Saints, Colts, Packers, SD, Pitt, Chicago...(to name a few) aside from having great QB's (which is a whole other debate)....they have big play threats on offense. Miami has Big, slow, guys trying to beat up and grind out wins. This isn't the 1980's!!!!! Sparano/Ireland are living in the past. And their ACTIONS don't suggest anything is changing!

[fyo]

in reality there is evidence to suggest that, with the exception of Mike Nolan as DC, this staff is not going to get us to the Super Bowl.

In reality, there's evidence to suggest that COACHING CONSISTENCY plays a big part in fielding a competitive team. Look at the top teams this past decade: off the top of my head, my top five is New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis -- although (most certainly) not in that order. Baltimore could arguably be considered up there as well.

None of these teams have switched head coaches, playing style, and coaching philosophies at the drop of a hat like the Dolphins. And it's not because these guys have always been successful...

Players as well as coaches can (and often do) improve over time. We need to build a solid base and not tear everything down when success isn't instant.

Our current coaching staff certainly hasn't been brilliant, but Sparano is still a young head coach and should be given time to develop. If we need to find a replacement at some point (let's say he totally flops this coming season), I hope we'll take the "evolutionary" path, not the "revolutionary" one.

[MikeO]

Coaching consistency is good. IF you have a good head coach.

If your head coach is a fool or poor, then that is consistency you don't want. You don't keep a bad head coach around just so you can say you have "coaching consistency"

[fyo]

If your head coach is a fool or poor, then that is consistency you don't want. You don't keep a bad head coach around just so you can say you have "coaching consistency"

True, but I strongly doubt the ability of random forum posters to judge the potential of a coach.

I'm hopeful that Sparano will learn from his mistakes. A new OC can only help. A good coach is one that surrounds himself with good coaches that fit his style. Given the number of coaches that were basically foisted on Sparano, I'm hopeful he'll do better when given the chance to make his own picks (not that those picks SOUND amazing thus far).

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

In reality, there's evidence to suggest that COACHING CONSISTENCY plays a big part in fielding a competitive team. Look at the top teams this past decade: off the top of my head, my top five is New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Indianapolis -- although (most certainly) not in that order. Baltimore could arguably be considered up there as well.

Agreed.  You left one team out.  While they have changed coaches relatively recently.....

Pittsburgh:

Superbowl Championships: 6 (most of any team)
Number of Head coaches during the super bowl era: 4 (least of any team that has been in existence during the entire time)

Coincidence?  I think not!


 

[Dolphster]

In the more macro view, society as a whole has become addicted to instant gratification.  So I guess it is only inevitable that the same problem filters down to sports.

[jtex316]

It's a tough pill to swallow (to hear support for Henne) when a guy like Sam Bradford can go out there, in his rookie year, after losing 58 Wide Receivers and still be pretty damn good for a rookie QB.

Or a guy like Josh Freeman that hardly anyone talks about, who can go out there and be pretty good from time to time.

How many more years / attempts does Henne get before it's pretty apparent that he does suck and does need to be demoted?

[fyo]

Agreed.  You left one team out.  While they have changed coaches relatively recently.....

Pittsburgh:

You missed it . Pittsburgh was second on my list... right after New England.

[Philly Fin Fan]

How many more years / attempts does Henne get before it's pretty apparent that he does suck and does need to be demoted?

I think it has a lot to do with the city/media/expectations.

I've seen numerous articles (I think there was a thread here saying the same thing) where they compare Henne's numbers to Sanchez's. Sanchez is nicknamed "The Sanchise" (a play on franchise) and is lauded as the savior of that organization. Henne is considered another in a long line of bust's since Marino retired, and people are already looking for the next QB.

I was going to start a thread about the one article from the Palm Beach Post a few months back (right after the season).  But I knew that about 90% of this board has already made up their minds on Henne after he didn't win the Superbowl his rookie season, so I figured, why bother.

But guess what? In all of those articles they point out that both QB's have almost the exact same stats (in fact, Henne has slightly better numbers).