Please, STFU about the Quarterback position

[MikeO]

You seem to have just refuted your own theory.  If Mark Sanchez's career 70.2 QB rating (29 TD/33 INT) qualifies as "GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY" then Henne is just what we need.

back to back AFC Championship games, so Sanchez sucks in your opinion 

You can't be serious. Sanchez has more road playoff wins in 2 years than the Dolphins do the last 30!!!

[MikeO]

This is my point, having a great QB does not guarantee playoff or Super Bowl wins. 

YES IT DOES!! What great QB isn't in the playoffs consistently? NAME HIM!   And NOT having a great QB guarntees you won't be in the playoffs or have a shot to win the Super Bowl though!!!!

[fyo]

MikeO, since you're equating great quarterbacks with consistent playoff appearances, there's little left to discuss, is there? Your definition completely rules out any counterexamples.

[MikeO]

MikeO, since you're equating great quarterbacks with consistent playoff appearances, there's little left to discuss, is there? Your definition completely rules out any counterexamples.

Well yeah because I am right!

Who are the great QB's that don't make the playoffs consistently?  And who are the bad QB's in recent years that win playoff games and super bowls? NAME THEM!! So when someone says the Fins top priority isn't upgrading the QB spot, well than what the F' is the priority? Because it all begins at the QB position and if you dont' have one, I don't care about the other 50+ guys, YOU CAN'T WIN IN THIS LEAGUE!!!

[fyo]

Well yeah because I am right!

[Phishfan]

Pitt, Saints, Colts, Packers, Pats, Jets, Ravens, Giants, Chargers....whats the one thing they all have in commen!! GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY!!!

You really included the Jets as an example of great QB play. You really have fallen into the media hype haven't you?

[Phishfan]

LOL. It's called audibling. Yes Marino was allowed to do it. No, I never once heard Don Shula complain about it.

It's also common knowledge that Marino also audibled TO running plays.

I think you are missing the point of my statement entirely. Yea, we never heard Shula complain. That wasn't the point I was making. The point was you cannot look at those Dolphin teams as a pure example of not being able to find a running back, because that team was hardly running the ball. They could have had quite capable backs, but they didn't carry the ball enough to know if they could have had a good running game. There is a big difference between a team not running the ball and a team not being able to run the ball.

[Brian Fein]

Fact 1 - all great QB's make the playoffs every year

Fact 2 - any QB who makes the playoffs every year is a great QB

[Spider-Dan]

back to back AFC Championship games, so Sanchez sucks in your opinion 

You can't be serious. Sanchez has more road playoff wins in 2 years than the Dolphins do the last 30!!!

Let me see if I understand you correctly:

You need GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY to be successful.
Sanchez' team has been (moderately) successful.
Therefore, he has necessarily played great.

Using this logic, it's impossible to disprove your claim that GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY is needed to win, because you will claim that any QB of a winning team has played great (no matter how horrible their stats are).

I repeat again: if Mark Sanchez is your idea of GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY then we should be out looking for the next Trent Dilfer, not the the next Aaron Rodgers.

edit: MikeO, did Ben Roethlisberger exemplify GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY when the Steelers beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Pitt, Saints, Colts, Packers, Pats, Jets, Ravens, Giants, Chargers....whats the one thing they all have in commen!! GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY!!!

While most people are focusing on the absolute moronic inclusion of the below average Jets into the "Great" QB classification.  Neither Pitts nor the Giants have great QBs either.  They have decent QBs.  The Steelers went .750 with Big Ben.  They went .750 w/o Big Ben.  Eli is a good QB and a better QB than Sanchez or Henne, but he doesn't belong in the same classification as his older brother, Brady, Brees or even Rivers (which isn't really even great either). 

[Spider-Dan]

Eli is a slightly-above-average QB that had one incredible postseason.

For which I will always be thankful.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Eli is a slightly-above-average QB that had one incredible postseason.

agreed.

For which I will always be thankful.

my opinion diverge with yours here.

[MikeO]

edit: MikeO, did Ben Roethlisberger exemplify GREAT QUARTERBACK PLAY when the Steelers beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl?

NO. But in the playoffs that year prior to the Super Bowl he did. And in his Super Bowl win over Arizona he led his team 90+ yards on the final drive for a TD to win it.

To knock Big Ben is insane. The guy has been in the league less than 10 years, has 2 rings and been to 3 Super Bowls. To say he isn't great is laughable

[MikeO]

While most people are focusing on the absolute moronic inclusion of the below average Jets into the "Great" QB classification.  Neither Pitts nor the Giants have great QBs either.  They have decent QBs.  The Steelers went .750 with Big Ben.  They went .750 w/o Big Ben.  Eli is a good QB and a better QB than Sanchez or Henne, but he doesn't belong in the same classification as his older brother, Brady, Brees or even Rivers (which isn't really even great either). 

Knock Sanchez all ya want, he is the main reason that team has been to 2 AFC Championship games. It's not their overrated defense.

And Phillip Rivers isn't great either you say.....do you people even WATCH NFL FOOTBALL???  Look at his numbers for christ sakes!!

[MikeO]

Fact 1 - all great QB's make the playoffs every year

Fact 2 - any QB who makes the playoffs every year is a great QB

I am asking for examples and you can't provide them. LIST the great QB's in the NFL and tell me if  every year (except for the occasional blip on the rader every now and then) are they esentially  in the playoffs?  Wanna shut me up, provide examples. What great QB has had a dry spell of back to back years of no playoffs? Or 3 years in a row of no playoffs? You can't name one. Look at the list, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Cutler, Sanchez, Big Ben, Eli, Ryan, Flacco..etc). The great QB's of today are in the playoffs damn near every year. On occasion they might miss 1 year, but they damn near don't miss 2 years in a row or more!
 
Then look at the teams that dont make the playoffs on any consistent basis except for a year every now and then (Miami, Detroit, Tampa, Cleveland, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Washington, San Fran, St.Louis, Tenn...etc) what is the ONE THING THEY HAVE IN COMMEN?? THEY DON'T HAVE A GREAT QB!!!

It's not that difficult....have a great QB, you have a shot to win. Don't have one, and you are a bottom feeder team in the NFL. Which is why it is LAUGHABLE BEYOND BELIEF when someone says the Dolphins TOP PRIORITY is NOT quarterback. It's not the top priority, its the ONLY priority at the moment. Fix that, then move on to other things. Until you fix that you are just spinning your wheels in the mud going nowhere