For actual fans only

[tubba marxxx]

What I mean by that is the fans that actually cheer for Miami to win football games, not this hipster "I hope my favorite team loses" crap


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RIP Mad Dog


Let's play inspired football this week Gentlemen!! 

[Dave Gray]

Wanting Miami to lose is "hipster?".  Please explain.

[DZA]

An actual Fins fan that wants the fins to lose.

And you call yourself an actual fan huh


PLZ Explain 

[Dave Gray]

I'll explain.  A couple of key losses this year could mean dozens of wins in the future.  Now, I feel that opportunity has passed.  But it was a real possibility, in my opinion.

I am a real fan, but I don't judge success on a game by game basis.  I want championships.

[MikeO]

I'll explain.  A couple of key losses this year could mean dozens of wins in the future.  Now, I feel that opportunity has passed.  But it was a real possibility, in my opinion.

I am a real fan, but I don't judge success on a game by game basis.  I want championships.

Agree. At this point with 3 wins and the teams ahead of us in the draft "if the season ended today", if Miami wants a franchise QB they will have to package up a future 1st round pick and probably a couple 2nd and 3rds and move up anyway. I'm fine with that. It is what it is.

Win or Lose in December....doesn't matter. Coach is still gone. Ireland is probably gone. Nothing can save Sparano and it might take a miracle to save Ireland.

[tubba marxxx]

Wanting Miami to lose is "hipster?".  Please explain.

Hipster as in trendy.  It's become the "trend" to want your team to lose.  And I think it's crap.  Period.  End of story. 

[Dave Gray]

That's kinda the opposite of hipster.  The whole joke about the hipster movement is that they were into [insert whatever] before it became popular.  It's anti-trendy if anything.

[Dave Gray]

But on to context:

Do you know how teams will take a safety on purpose sometimes, if it means the path to long-term victory is greater?  It's not that they like giving the other team points, but in the long run, it's better for the team.   Same idea, over a longer term.

It's not like me hoping for us to gt a safety makes me a bad fan.  It's just me looking at the big picture to victory.

[tubba marxxx]

That's kinda the opposite of hipster.  The whole joke about the hipster movement is that they were into [insert whatever] before it became popular.  It's anti-trendy if anything.

I hear you, but it's still a trend.  It's actually the biggest contradiction ever.  But anyways, I understand both side of the story..I just can't bring myself to root against Miami..as much as they piss me off

[Spider-Dan]

It's funny how a certain segment of the population sees a desire for Dolphin losses as a betrayal to fandom, but has no problem whatever criticizing the team (which is no more fan-like).

You disagree?  Feel free to explain what goal you are trying to accomplish by criticizing a team that you are supposedly a fan of, and how a Dolphin fan criticizing MIA differs from a Jet fan criticizing MIA.

[shamrock]

It's funny how a certain segment of the population sees a desire for Dolphin losses as a betrayal to fandom, but has no problem whatever criticizing the team (which is no more fan-like).

You disagree?  Feel free to explain what goal you are trying to accomplish by criticizing a team that you are supposedly a fan of, and how a Dolphin fan criticizing MIA differs from a Jet fan criticizing MIA.

Totally disagree! A real fan ALWAYS wants their team to win and is dissapointed when they don't and will criticize the plays the coaches whatever.Draft picks don't always pan out in the big leagues,I have seen tons of great college can't miss prospects that only had mediocre NFL careers.So,IMO wanting your team to lose just so you can get the number one guy is ridiculous.
Criticizing one's own team is part of being a fan......
It's like I can talk bad about a member of my family when they screw up-but YOU had better not!

[tubba marxxx]

Totally disagree! A real fan ALWAYS wants their team to win and is dissapointed when they don't and will criticize the plays the coaches whatever.Draft picks don't always pan out in the big leagues,I have seen tons of great college can't miss prospects that only had mediocre NFL careers.So,IMO wanting your team to lose just so you can get the number one guy is ridiculous.
Criticizing one's own team is part of being a fan......
It's like I can talk bad about a member of my family when they screw up-but YOU had better not!

this

[jtex316]

Totally disagree! A real fan ALWAYS wants their team to win and is dissapointed when they don't and will criticize the plays the coaches whatever.Draft picks don't always pan out in the big leagues,I have seen tons of great college can't miss prospects that only had mediocre NFL careers.So,IMO wanting your team to lose just so you can get the number one guy is ridiculous.
Criticizing one's own team is part of being a fan......
It's like I can talk bad about a member of my family when they screw up-but YOU had better not!

You are delusional if you are implying that a football team with 53 total strangers on it is a member of your family.

Other than that, you're good.

[Cathal]

I'll explain.  A couple of key losses this year could mean dozens of wins in the future.  Now, I feel that opportunity has passed.  But it was a real possibility, in my opinion.

I am a real fan, but I don't judge success on a game by game basis.  I want championships.

They'll never understand a simple point like that for some reason. No sense in trying to do it again when we've beaten this dead horse.

[Phishfan]

But on to context:

Do you know how teams will take a safety on purpose sometimes, if it means the path to long-term victory is greater?  It's not that they like giving the other team points, but in the long run, it's better for the team.   Same idea, over a longer term.

It's not like me hoping for us to gt a safety makes me a bad fan.  It's just me looking at the big picture to victory.

But do you also realize how rare it is for a team to take a safety on purpose?

Also, the comparison is terrible if, as Spider claims, you don't want Miami throwing games on purpose. In your example the team effectively gives up points on purpose. The claim from Spider all along is the "Suck for Luck" movement has had nothing to do with throwing games.