Dolphins interviewing Joe Philbin this weekend

[Landshark]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/01/05/report-dolphins-set-to-interview-packers-oc-joe-philbin/

If he comes along, I'm sure he'll bring Matt Flynn with him.  That is intriguing to say the least.

[MikeO]

I have a hunch IF the Fins lose Fisher. They will hire Philbin as head coach. Make Bowles the defensive coordinator and the "spin" will be they were highly impressed with both of these guys they interviewed and are happy to be able to have them both on staff.

I can see that "SPIN" coming a mile away.

[Landshark]

Which might not be a bad thing, Mike.  Philbin has been with the Packers system for nine years and his offenses have lit it up consistently.  He's one of the few guys out there that realizes it's a passing league nowadays.  He may demand that the Dolphins trade up to get Andrew Luck, or he may bring Matt Flynn over with him in free agency.  Either way, if there is someone who can get a capable quarterback, it's him.

[Frimp]

I've read that Philbin never called the plays. Not sure what to make of this. Last time we got a hot OC, it didnt turn out very well.

[MikeO]

Which might not be a bad thing, Mike.  Philbin has been with the Packers system for nine years and his offenses have lit it up consistently.  He's one of the few guys out there that realizes it's a passing league nowadays.  He may demand that the Dolphins trade up to get Andrew Luck, or he may bring Matt Flynn over with him in free agency.  Either way, if there is someone who can get a capable quarterback, it's him.

He doesn't call the plays in GB. In fact a GB beat writer said Philbin runs the defensive scout team during the week to help prepare the offense while McCarthy works on the gameplan. Then Philbin holds all the offensive meetings of what the gameplan will be after he is told by McCarthy what it is while McCarthy is off doing other head coaching stuff.

Hey and I won't totally knock a Philbin as head coach and Bowles as DC, it might work. I won't piss on it before giving them a chance, but lets be honest that is settling and not getting the guys they wanted. Philbin was probably 4th or 5th on Miami's wish list behind Cowher, Gruden, Fisher...etc. Let's not fool ourselves.

[Landshark]

I've read that Philbin never called the plays. Not sure what to make of this. Last time we got a hot OC, it didnt turn out very well.

A few things:

First, if Philbin becomes our head coach he likely wouldn't be directly calling plays anyway.  

Second, as an offensive coordinator, he has a ton of responsibility in Green Bay. He's in charge of the offensive players and he has a major role in crafting the game plan. He's also got a long history as a strong OL coach.

Third, he's got a completely different offensive philosophy than Sparano.  Sparano failed because his view of an offense is archaic. In contrast, Philbin is in charge of the NFL's current top offense.

Fourth, he's been in the Green Bay system for almost 9 years. I can only assume he'll try to replicate that system at his next place of employment and bring in his own guys, especially on the offensive side of the ball.  That's a big positive, IMO.

[MikeO]

A few things:

First, if Philbin becomes our head coach he likely wouldn't be directly calling plays anyway.  

Second, as an offensive coordinator, he has a ton of responsibility in Green Bay. He's in charge of the offensive players and he has a major role in crafting the game plan. He's also got a long history as a strong OL coach.

Third, he's got a completely different offensive philosophy than Sparano.  Sparano failed because his view of an offense is archaic. In contrast, Philbin is in charge of the NFL's current top offense.

Fourth, he's been in the Green Bay system for almost 9 years. I can only assume he'll try to replicate that system at his next place of employment and bring in his own guys, especially on the offensive side of the ball.  That's a big positive, IMO.

And you just made the case for Philbin getting the job and I can't totally disagree with anything you said. Although I do think Philbin will call the plays in Miami unless he makes Tom Clement the offensive coordinator and lets him call the plays. Which would be another step in also adding Flynn. Not saying Flynn is the 2nd coming, but having a QB who understands the offense he is running from Day 1 is a huge positive. Now Miami will have to pay Flynn like Kevin Kolb money, but hey status quo isn't working and they gotta take a risk. If you are gonna get behind  a new head coach and philosophy then you have to go all out and can't half-ass it.

[dolfan13]

what happened to going after a guy with experience, who knows how to be a head coach, and has done it before?

[MikeO]

what happened to going after a guy with experience, who knows how to be a head coach, and has done it before?

Slim pickings of those guys, with no Fisher, Gruden, or Cowher. And with them having zero interest in Billick.....who's the experienced guy you talk to? Name em. Jim Fassell? Mike Mularkey? Mike Nolan? Bill Callahan? Not exactly a "who's-who" to pick from. Those guys just aren't out there if Miami doesn't land Fisher. And it just came out they are going to talk to Mularkey which I simply don't understand, but whatever.

[Landshark]

And you just made the case for Philbin getting the job and I can't totally disagree with anything you said. Although I do think Philbin will call the plays in Miami unless he makes Tom Clement the offensive coordinator and lets him call the plays. Which would be another step in also adding Flynn. Not saying Flynn is the 2nd coming, but having a QB who understands the offense he is running from Day 1 is a huge positive. Now Miami will have to pay Flynn like Kevin Kolb money, but hey status quo isn't working and they gotta take a risk. If you are gonna get behind  a new head coach and philosophy then you have to go all out and can't half-ass it.

To add to that, McCarthy said in an interview on NFLN that Philbin completely runs practices, holds team meetings and helps with the upcoming gameplans in a major way.  He said Philbin is as ready for a head coach position as anyone he has worked with.

[dolfan13]

i was asking rhetorically...

why come out and say we are going after this type of guy, when you know what the market is? they just give off the impression that while they have known for a very long time they will be looking for a new coach, they have absolutely no clue how to go about doing it.

young don shula, experience, dynamic/open offense, on and on...

[MikeO]

i was asking rhetorically...

why come out and say we are going after this type of guy, when you know what the market is? they just give off the impression that while they have known for a very long time they will be looking for a new coach, they have absolutely no clue how to go about doing it.

young don shula, experience, dynamic/open offense, on and on...

I agree with you. And they gave conflicting statements as well. Ireland said he wanted one thing and Ross said he wanted the opposite

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

what happened to going after a guy with experience, who knows how to be a head coach, and has done it before?

Is there any evidence this is the way to go?

Yes, there have some outstanding retreds - Belichick, Shula

But others -- Parcells, Turner, Mangini have not.  

[dolfan13]

the dolphins aren't a completely rebuilding team. u would want to bring in someone that isn't learning on the job, and can quickly put together a credible staff of coaches.

if they were a team like the rams, or colts, some team that is completely devoid of talent, then yeah take a shot on an inexperienced coach that can grow with a very young team.

im not saying its wrong or right, sometimes i think that the fins are consistently caught in this not totally rebuilding cycle, but it is what it is...

[mecadonzilla]

Since the rookie QB pool is thinning, Matt Flynn and Joe Philbin are looking better all the time.