BCS Title game

[Phishfan]

Also the separation from Alabama and OK St to see who would go to the NC game came down to a single voter who ranked OK St out of the top 5.
Alabama did not belong in that game, OK St did.

I guess technically we could say it was a single vote that did it since it was the closest finish between 2 & 3 since the BCS began, but it really isn't accurate. According to what I have seen, three Harris voters ranked OSU sixth.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7330561/mike-gundy-lobbied-harder-oklahoma-state-bcs-title-shot

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^I could see having a (4) team playoff, but that is not going to end the bickering, it would only move to the #5 and #6 teams saying they should be in the top four.  Look at NCAA Basketball, 64 teams aren't enough anymore, teams still cry they should be in.

Big difference. 

Teams do cry that they should be in the tournement.  But not a single one can seriously make the claim that they would have won it all had they been let in and were wrongfully denied a shot at the championship. 

They can claim they were better than some of the 15 and 16 seeds that got in, they can't make a case (that anyone would buy) that they were better than the team that won it all.

There are probably 3-5 teams each year in college football that could be considered the best team in college football.  A four team playoff would solve the problem most years.  An 8 team one would solve it every year.  Yes, some teams would bitch they were better than #8, but no one could take them serious if they claimed they should have had a shot at #1.

[suck for luck]

Arguing about who should have the 4th spot is a helluva lot better than arguing about who should have the 2nd spot. Arguing 8th spot is better than arguing 4th and so on.  Fixing this idiotic *system* is slower than a one-armed paper hanger. +1 is just the next step that has to be taken. I would love 16 but I'll be happy with 8.

On another note the argument that they already played once is a bunch of BS crying.  If there was a playoff they probably would have to play again.  Heck in the NFL you may have to beat the same team three times before you even make it to the SB.

The difference is in the NFL it's all determined on the field, that's the key. In the NCAA the idiotic *system* is directly resposible for the "BS crying" of people trying to infulence other people to vote them in.

Like someone earlier said, you don't have any of this moronic shit in the NFL because it gets taken care of on the field.

[Dave Gray]

Big difference. 

Teams do cry that they should be in the tournement.  But not a single one can seriously make the claim that they would have won it all had they been let in and were wrongfully denied a shot at the championship. 

This.

In the NCAA tournament, teams bicker because they're losing exposure.  Some team will always get shafted, but not a team that was going to win it all.  The same with football.  Even with 4 teams, it takes away the chance that a legitimate #1 team got hosed.  And if it started at 4, there'd be money and reason to expand it to 8, then 16, then who knows...

[masterfins]

There are probably 3-5 teams each year in college football that could be considered the best team in college football.  A four team playoff would solve the problem most years.  An 8 team one would solve it every year.  Yes, some teams would bitch they were better than #8, but no one could take them serious if they claimed they should have had a shot at #1.

Logically this makes sense, but just look at the NFL playoffs, there are upsets by wildcard teams, and on occasion they are in the Super Bowl.  Once, a #4 seed wins then there is the argument to expand to 8, and so on.  Then a 7 or 8 would eventually win and there would be more conjecture.  There is too much money in college bowl slush funds to switch to divisions like the NFL.


The purpose of the BCS was to atleast have the top two teams play each other, and people still aren't happy.  I'd be okay with a four team playoff, but it won't end the debate.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Logically this makes sense, but just look at the NFL playoffs, there are upsets by wildcard teams, and on occasion they are in the Super Bowl.  Once, a #4 seed wins then there is the argument to expand to 8, and so on.  Then a 7 or 8 would eventually win and there would be more conjecture.  There is too much money in college bowl slush funds to switch to divisions like the NFL.


The purpose of the BCS was to atleast have the top two teams play each other, and people still aren't happy.  I'd be okay with a four team playoff, but it won't end the debate.

True.  But has an undefeated NFL team ever not been in the superbowl?  Undefeated college teams have not had a chance at the #1 title.  That is patentenly unfair.  No a playoff system won't completely solve the problem.  But there won't be any teams without a loss that is not the champion.

[Pappy13]

True.  But has an undefeated NFL team ever not been in the superbowl?  Undefeated college teams have not had a chance at the #1 title.  That is patentenly unfair.  No a playoff system won't completely solve the problem.  But there won't be any teams without a loss that is not the champion.

Not necessarily true, but I still agree with the concept of and 1. I heard the other day that 2 teams recently went undefeated, but finished out of the top 4.  I'm pretty sure those teams must have played pretty weak schedules though, so I don't think there would have been a whole lot of noise they should have had a shot at the championship anyway.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Not necessarily true, but I still agree with the concept of and 1. I heard the other day that 2 teams recently went undefeated, but finished out of the top 4.  I'm pretty sure those teams must have played pretty weak schedules though, so I don't think there would have been a whole lot of noise they should have had a shot at the championship anyway.

The 1972 dolphins played the weakest schedule of any NFL team to ever make the playoffs in the history of the NFL.  They got a shot at the championship, anyway.

The NFL and pretty much every other sport as a decent (even if not perfect) system of determining the champion.  The BCS is the odd man out.   

[Pappy13]

The 1972 dolphins played the weakest schedule of any NFL team to ever make the playoffs in the history of the NFL.  They got a shot at the championship, anyway.

But they were still considered a championship caliber team going into the playoffs. My point is that with the "and 1" system it would still be possible to be undefeated and not got a shot at the championship, just not as likely as it is today.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

But they were still considered a championship caliber team going into the playoffs. My point is that with the "and 1" system it would still be possible to be undefeated and not got a shot at the championship, just not as likely as it is today.

Not really.  They were the underdog in the playoffs. 

If we had BCS style voting in the NFL instead of playoffs in 1972,  the championship game would be Steelers (or maybe Raiders) vs. Redskins with the the undefeated Dolphins sitting home on the basis that they had such a weak schedule they were not really considered that good and were expected to go one and done.

That is how stupid the BCS is. 

[Pappy13]

Not really.  They were the underdog in the playoffs. 

If we had BCS style voting in the NFL instead of playoffs in 1972,  the championship game would be Steelers (or maybe Raiders) vs. Redskins with the the undefeated Dolphins sitting home on the basis that they had such a weak schedule they were not really considered that good and were expected to go one and done.

I was young and not really a fan of the Dolphins then so I'll take your word for it.

That is how stupid the BCS is. 

This we agree on.

[BigDaddyFin]

I still hope Saban gets the HIV.

[EKnight]

Someone- Hoodie I think- mentioned that a playoff would fix the issue of an undefeated team not having a shot at the title. What do you do when you have a team finish outside of the top 4, but still go undefeated? It happens more than people might think. 11 times since the current system has been in place, undefeated teams have been out of the top 4 and not had that chance. Having a playoff wouldn't help those teams, unless you start adding even MORE teams to the schedule. When would it end? -EK