Good for Roger.

[Pappy13]

Can we please put this whole silly steroid issue behind us now? It really is getting really old and really stupid.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/roger-clemens-verdict-not-guilty-six-counts-204828190--mlb.html

[Phishfan]

I still say he took them.

[Pappy13]

^^Does it really matter? I mean whether he took them or not, not whether or not you think he did. Does that make sense?

[Phishfan]

The case against Roger was a witch hunt. While I feel he took the steroids and lied, he wasn't the only one sitting there doing the same thing.

To answer your question, it really doesn't matter to me. All sports are tainted in my opinion.

[TonyB0D]

he definitely took steroids.  the case was not about him taking steroids, it was about wether or not he lied under oath, etc.

[Landshark]

The case against Roger was a witch hunt. While I feel he took the steroids and lied, he wasn't the only one sitting there doing the same thing.

To answer your question, it really doesn't matter to me. All sports are tainted in my opinion.

He wasn't being prosecuted for that.  He was being prosecuted for lying to a grand jury.  Same reason why Barry Bonds is a convicted felon.

[Phishfan]

He wasn't being prosecuted for that.  He was being prosecuted for lying to a grand jury.  Same reason why Barry Bonds is a convicted felon.

I think I addressed that by saying he lied and that he was not the only one up there doing it.

[Landshark]

I think I addressed that by saying he lied and that he was not the only one up there doing it.

The question is, did the others lie to a grand jury?  Regardless, I think the jury in this case saw it as an issue best handled by MLB and threw it out accordingly.  Same reason why Bonds was only convicted of only one of the many charges he was facing.

Neither of them will get into the Hall of Fame because of this scandal, and neither will Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Jose Canseco, or Miguel Tejada.  I say let them be found guilty in a proper court..... The court of public opinion

[Pappy13]

Neither of them will get into the Hall of Fame because of this scandal

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

[Landshark]

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

I'd hate to break it to ya, but you need 75% of the votes from the writers to get in.  Mark McGwire only got around 20% his first year on the ballot and Rafael Palmeiro only got around 13%.  Shows what the writers think of people who used PEDs

[Pappy13]

I'd hate to break it to ya, but you need 75% of the votes from the writers to get in.  Mark McGwire only got around 20% his first year on the ballot and Rafael Palmeiro only got around 13%.  Shows what the writers think of people who used PEDs

Neither of which had the career that Roger had. I'm not sure that McGwire or Palmeiro are first ballot hall of fame material even without PED involvement. Roger is. Now maybe he doesn't get in on the first ballot, but he gets in at some point I would say.

[masterfins]

He wasn't being prosecuted for that.  He was being prosecuted for lying to a grand jury.  Same reason why Barry Bonds is a convicted felon.

He was NOT being prosecuted for lying to a grand jury, he was being prosecuted for lying to a Congressional Publicity "Show".  While I don't condone lying to Congress while under oath, it was a waste of taxpayers money for the Congressional hearing to begin with, and in light of the results of the Bonds trial it was a waste of taxpayers money to persue the Clemens case.  I mean really, $2 - $3 million spent on this, after millions spent on the Bonds case.  Colossal waste.

[masterfins]

Neither of which had the career that Roger had. I'm not sure that McGwire or Palmeiro are first ballot hall of fame material even without PED involvement. Roger is. Now maybe he doesn't get in on the first ballot, but he gets in at some point I would say.

I'd disagree with you on Palmeiro, 3000+ hits and 500+ homers he would have been in on the first ballot.  The last time I was in Cooperstown, probably 6-8 years ago, they had an exhibit setup of Palmeiro and his various stats, etc.

[Pappy13]

^^ Baseball-reference.com has Clemons as the 12th best pitcher by their criteria and Palmeiro as the 119th best hitter. Pameiro is definately hall material, but first ballot hall material? I don't think so.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clemero02.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/palmera01.shtml

[Landshark]

Neither of which had the career that Roger had. I'm not sure that McGwire or Palmeiro are first ballot hall of fame material even without PED involvement. Roger is. Now maybe he doesn't get in on the first ballot, but he gets in at some point I would say.

Palmeiro had a remarkable career.  Sadly, he will be remembered for adamantly denying steroids use before Congress, then trying to make Miguel Tejada the scapegoat when he tested positive.  The Orioles were so pissed about it they deactivated him for the remainder of the 2005 season and he never played another game. 

I don't care if Clemens had a better career.  Fact is, he cheated to have it.