Joe Pa emails

[bsmooth]

Do you think they will bring his legacy down if they turn out to be true?

[Dave Gray]

I don't know specifically what you're talking about, in regards to specific content of emails.  But, I think he legacy is already tarnished based on what's come to light -- perhaps unjustifiably.  But if he knew he was employing a serial child molester and didn't do anything other than report it up the ladder, then that's enough to tarnish his image.

[Phishfan]

The entire Penn State University is tarnished. If my child wanted to go there at this point I would refuse to offer money for it.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The entire Penn State University is tarnished. If my child wanted to go there at this point I would refuse to offer money for it.

Apparently Penn State is almost as bad as the Catholic church, when it comes to covering up child abuse. 

[Tenshot13]

Apparently Penn State is almost as bad as the Catholic church, when it comes to covering up child abuse. 

The only thing they're worse at covering is the point spread /rimshot

[bsmooth]

I don't know specifically what you're talking about, in regards to specific content of emails.  But, I think he legacy is already tarnished based on what's come to light -- perhaps unjustifiably.  But if he knew he was employing a serial child molester and didn't do anything other than report it up the ladder, then that's enough to tarnish his image.

Unjustifiably? If it shown he knew along with higher ups and they decided to protect the program and the school over the victims, then it is justified.

[Fau Teixeira]

The NCAA should terminate Penn state football. Permanently.

[BigDaddyFin]

I'd love to see the emails and what they say.  I have a hard time believing that JoePa could have done much more BUT report the incident to his superiors.  The more information we get out of this the better, and if it turns out that Paterno was complicit in covering it up, then he deserves to have his legacy shit upon.

[Spider-Dan]

The NCAA should terminate Penn state football. Permanently.

I think the NCAA should stay out of it.

In my opinion, the NCAA's place is to adjudicate competitive violations; illegal scholarships, inappropriate recruiting, paying players, point shaving, etc.  Criminal violations should be left up to the government.

Suppose Bobby Bowden had been embezzling from some local charities.  Should the NCAA punish the FSU football program?

[Landshark]

The NCAA should terminate Penn state football. Permanently.

I think the NCAA should stay out of it.

In my opinion, the NCAA's place is to adjudicate competitive violations; illegal scholarships, inappropriate recruiting, paying players, point shaving, etc.  Criminal violations should be left up to the government.

Suppose Bobby Bowden had been embezzling from some local charities.  Should the NCAA punish the FSU football program?

Technically speaking, this can be cited as Lack Of Institutional Control, but I agree with Spider.  This is a legal issue, not an issue of NCAA violations.  Let the criminal and civil courts decide this one.

[Fau Teixeira]

You can make a case that boys were abused because the program was put ahead of the safety of the victums. That isn't a lack of institutional control. Its institutional wrongdoing.

[MaineDolFan]

Actually, based on the emails, Landshark is correct.

Joe Pa was telling his superiors what to do (let's handle this situation this way, not that way).  From an NCAA point of view, it's very much grounds for lack of institutional control.  The football coach should not be ruling the roost, so to speak.  Should the NCAA get involved, these will be the grounds they do it on.

[Dave Gray]

I said "perhaps unjustifiably", because I don't know what JoePa knew and what he didn't.  If he had a report of something generic like "inappropriate conduct" and he passed it up the ladder, where they found no wrongdoing, that's one thing.  If he specifically knew that Sandusky was anally raping boys in the shower, that's another.  I don't really know enough to speculate.

[Landshark]

A consulting firm is going to release a new report this week on how the Penn State culture may have played a part in this.  According to the news article, this report is going to be "very tough on Joe Paterno"

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8136890/penn-state-abuse-report-expected-very-tough-joe-paterno-according-sources

[masterfins]

The consulting group hired by the Board of Trustees, the same Board of Trustees that fired Paterno to shift the blame away from themselves and the University (which fired Paterno when they had very very limited information), is now going to issue a report blaiming a dead man that can't defend himself, and which will support the Board, that hired them.  What a surprise.  Joe Paterno Never personally used email, so none of the emails are authored by him.  What a surprise it will be when those additional individuals charged with crimes all blame the dead man.  In all of this Paterno is the only one that stood up said he wished he had done more.