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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2012, 07:12:44 am »

Why would you get Jackson over Moore? 

This front office really does not like Matt Moore.  They bring in Garrard off the street and are chasing down bums from other teams just so they can avoid putting him in uniform.  It's embarrassing.

Moore just doesn't fit this offense. Once Philbin was hired, he was doomed.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2012, 10:18:41 am »

Garrard is free, Tavaris Jackson costs draft picks.  Why?

Please, no.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2012, 10:36:52 am »

Makes no sense dumping either Matt Moore or Garrard for Tavaris Jackson.  Garrard will be back before the season's a quarter of the way through. 

Moore is a fine option as #2.  Watching him in the preseason though, it's easy to see why they're going with Tannehill.   Moore just doesn't have Tannehill's arm.

Also this notion of a long-term backup is ridiculous.  No quarterback is going to come in as a #2, sit for a couple years and NOT want the opportunity to go play somewhere else.  And I'm not sure I'd want a player on my roster who was that content to sit over a long period, especially when we live in a time where they throw tens of millions of dollars at guys like Whitehurst and Flynn who haven't really proved themselves yet.  If you want a "long term backup," you might as well keep Pat Devlin and cut either Moore who will jet as soon as he becomes a free agent or demand a trade or Garrard who will want to be a starting quarterback again.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2012, 10:50:27 am »

Slightly off topic -

I think its funny how when Moore went 6-3 as a starter last year, everyone said he did a nice job and was a decent short-term option at QB.  Now that everyone has the Tannehill bug up their shorts, suddenly Matt Moore sucks.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2012, 11:32:46 am »

Slightly off topic -

I think its funny how when Moore went 6-3 as a starter last year, everyone said he did a nice job and was a decent short-term option at QB.  Now that everyone has the Tannehill bug up their shorts, suddenly Matt Moore sucks.

No he did not.  He went 6-6 as a starter and with him at the helm, this is what happened:

- Blew a 14 point lead with five minutes remaining against Denver

- Blew a fourth quarter lead against the Giants because suddenly they couldn't move the ball

- Blew a tight game against Dallas because they kept settling for field goals and Moore kept taking sacks

- Went turnover crazy against New England causing the defense to be on the field almost the entire third quarter and blowing a 17-0 halftime lead

- Kept settling for field goals against the Jets and eeked out a 19-17 win despite a dominating performance by the defense.

Fact is, they win those four close losses, they're 10-6 and in the playoffs. 
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 11:59:41 am »

Slightly off topic -

I think its funny how when Moore went 6-3 as a starter last year, everyone said he did a nice job and was a decent short-term option at QB.  Now that everyone has the Tannehill bug up their shorts, suddenly Matt Moore sucks.

LOL....not me I have been consistent on Moore! LOL
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 12:01:27 pm »


- Blew a tight game against Dallas because they kept settling for field goals and Moore kept taking sacks

Also turned the ball over on the 5 yard line and handed the Cowboys a gift TD.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 12:04:26 pm »

No he did not.  He went 6-6 as a starter and with him at the helm, this is what happened:

- Blew a 14 point lead with five minutes remaining against Denver

- Blew a fourth quarter lead against the Giants because suddenly they couldn't move the ball

- Blew a tight game against Dallas because they kept settling for field goals and Moore kept taking sacks

- Went turnover crazy against New England causing the defense to be on the field almost the entire third quarter and blowing a 17-0 halftime lead

- Kept settling for field goals against the Jets and eeked out a 19-17 win despite a dominating performance by the defense.

Fact is, they win those four close losses, they're 10-6 and in the playoffs. 

And the Defense giving up the points had nothing to do with the losses??

Was Moore doing all the play calling for the stalled drives??

The opposing Defense had nothing to do with stopping the Miami Offense??

The Giants won the Superbowl, Denver made the playoffs, NE is a perennial SuperBowl contender, yet your going to place the blame on Matt Moore for these losses??  C'mon gimme a break.  I'm not saying Moore is an All-Pro, but given the fact he came in off the bench in the middle of the season I was satisfied with his play.  He's not gonna take a team to the SuperBowl but he is a decent player.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 12:59:03 pm »

Yes, Matt Moore blew all those leads.  Maybe that is the problem - QB's shouldn't be playing defense.

Surely you must read what you write, no?
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 01:15:15 pm »

I think its funny how when Moore went 6-3 as a starter last year, everyone said he did a nice job and was a decent short-term option at QB.  Now that everyone has the Tannehill bug up their shorts, suddenly Matt Moore sucks.
I HATE that writers consistently put that Moore finished the season 6-3, well he STARTED the season 0-3 and that doesn't include the San Diego loss that he came in the 1st quarter to a scoreless game in which the Dolphins lost as well.  I was Ok with Moore, but knew in January that we needed an upgrade at QB when I said this about Daboll...

'I liked what I saw the last half of the year from Moore, Bush, Marshall, Fasano and Clay. It took too long to get it going, but once he got it going it was going pretty well. Get him a young QB to groom, get your LT healthy and bring in a new RT, but don't get rid of Daboll."

I had no way of knowing then that they would also switch to a West Coast Offense and Moore wouldn't pick it up that well and then when they got a young QB to groom he would so clearly outplay Moore in the preseason. Once I saw that, I had seen all I needed to see. Moore never impressed me, he simply did OK, but even that was in a different offense. In THIS offense he has been even less impressive.
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2012, 01:19:10 pm »

Miami's defense in the 4th quarter was bottom five in the league, and gave up a ton of points even in many of the games they won. That's not on Moore. I said before the draft that safety, pass rush, and receiver were better options than reaching on an unproven QB like Tannehill given Moore's play to finish the year. You can lay all the field position blame you want on Moore, but if the defense was as good as they were billed to be, they'd be giving up 3 instead of 7 when the game is on the line. I think Miami fans are in for a reality check this year when last year's 15th ranked D drops to 20th or worse. Until they can cover somebody in a passing league, Tannehill or Moore doesn't make a difference.

Edit to say that although I didn't love the pick, nor was I a fan of him starting so soon, now that he is, I'm 100% on board and will support him the same way I did Henne. -EK
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2012, 01:59:14 pm »

I HATE that writers consistently put that Moore finished the season 6-3, well he STARTED the season 0-3

Being the question is NOT does he belong in the HOF, probowl or deserving of the MVP, the 0-3 start is not particularly relevent.  The issue is should be be starting now, which means the last game of the season is a lot more relevent than the first game of the season. 

At the end of Peyton's second year NOBODY in Indy was going, "I am not sure about the QB he is only 13-13", No they were focusing on the fact he had won 13 of the last 16 and thus improving.
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2012, 02:33:45 pm »

The issue is should be be starting now, which means the last game of the season is a lot more relevent than the first game of the season. 
Seeing as how they are running a different offense then they were at the end of last season, it bears no relevance whatsoever. The last 2 preseason games are relevant and he was lousy.

I already debated whether the 6-3 record was the result of Moore starting or more the result of Bush's running, I'm not doing it again.

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=19784.0
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2012, 02:38:46 pm »

No one should be making judgments on preseason games in which no game plan is assembled and they merely are exercising guys in effort to make roster decisions.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2012, 02:40:49 pm »

No one should be making judgments on preseason games in which no game plan is assembled and they merely are exercising guys in effort to make roster decisions.
Someone needs to explain that to Joe Philbin then. I think he considered the preseason games a valuable tool in the evaluation process. Moore didn't exactly impress in practice either.
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