What's happening with the Ring of Dishonor?

[BigDaddyFin]

I am also forced to wonder:  do you also blame Shula for Cameron?

Don't be a big ridiculous face.   

I'm starting to wonder if you're a defense attorney in real life.  You asked for evidence, I showed you the evidence, you then stated the evidence didn't matter. 

What matters is I love you but I won the argument.

[Spider-Dan]

Maybe if you just keep saying "You know I'm right" and "I won the argument," the rest of the words won't matter.

I already stated multiple times that JJ making a recommendation does not make him more responsible for the Saban era than Saban, or even Huizenga.  Furthermore, I think I see why you just pasted a paragraph from that article, instead of pasting the link...  it was one of the most tepid endorsements of all time:

"I talked to Nick mainly about Wayne," Johnson said. "I talked to Wayne mainly about Nick. ... I told Wayne, I can't walk out on a limb for him because I never actually coached with him. But everything I hear, everybody I talked to that knows him extremely well, everybody said he will get the job done."

So JJ saying, "I can't walk out on a limb for this guy" means he's responsible for the Saban era?  I suppose in your world, the only way for JJ to avoid responsibility would have been to clearly state that Saban Must Not Be Hired?  Well, when you put it that way...

Let me make this point again to be clear (as you didn't get it the first time): even IF JJ had endorsed Saban, that does not make him more responsible for the Saban era than Saban himself.  It's not a situation like Wanny's, where JJ agreed to stay on specifically because Wanny was promised to be next-in-line.  If you want to put Wanny on JJ, fine... but Saban is just ridiculous.

[BigDaddyFin]

Dude you are so playing Johnny Cochran with this thing right now.   

Of course I only pasted the paragraph.  Your original complaint was that Jimmy never endorsed him and therefore nothing I said mattered. 

So when I came up with the article that showed his endorsement, it now doesn't meet your standard as an endorsement because well, Jimmy admits he never coached with him, didn't do cartwheels over it, yet he still recommended him. 

And my argument was simply this:  Jimmy Johnson recommended Nick Saban to Wayne Huizenga.  Wayne then took that advice and hired him, so yes Jimmy bears at least some responsibility for the fact that Nick Saban turned out to be a disaster. 

Once again.  I win. 

[Spider-Dan]

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the man that hired Jimmy Johnson, Dave Wannstedt, Nick Saban, and Cam Cameron.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the man that passed on Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the 4 general managers and 5 head coaches to follow him that couldn't draft (and keep) a SINGLE ALL-PRO PLAYER, while JJ found 4 All-Pros in 3 drafts.

You claim you won.  I guess we'll see if Jimmy Johnson is in the ROD before all the coaches that succeeded him, won't we?

[BigDaddyFin]

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the man that hired Jimmy Johnson, Dave Wannstedt, Nick Saban, and Cam Cameron.

This is intriguing.  Are you making the case for Wayne Huizenga?  Because I have yet to hear this argument if you are and would love to hear it.

Cam Cameron was a popular pick on this board at the time, I was among those supportive of his hire.  He ended up being a disaster for a whole host of reasons.  But he only lasted a year.  He's more of a blip on the radar than anything else.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the man that passed on Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the 4 general managers and 5 head coaches to follow him that couldn't draft (and keep) a SINGLE ALL-PRO PLAYER, while JJ found 4 All-Pros in 3 drafts.

These questions are one in the same.  All three coaches were given total control of personnel.  The only one who worked with a GM was Wannstedt (Rick Speilman) who didn't show up until Wannstedt was almost through coaching here.

Also I need to remind you again that TWO Dolphin coaches passed on Drew Brees.  Wannstedt (2001) and Saban (2006).  Both either a holdover (Wannstedt) or recommended by (Saban) Johnson.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how Jimmy Johnson is more responsible for the Dolphins' decline than the 4 general managers and 5 head coaches to follow him that couldn't draft (and keep) a SINGLE ALL-PRO PLAYER, while JJ found 4 All-Pros in 3 drafts.

I conceded already that Jimmy drafted incredibly well on defense.  That's where those all-pros came from.  The rest of his draft strategies were a categorical bust.  He never drafted a running back who stuck around and his lone attempt to draft a wide receiver is already on the ROD.  How many all-pro backs and receivers did we completely miss out on because Jimmy traded out of the first round two of his four years?

[phinphan]

This argument is like going out in the yard and finding three rocks and then arguing about which one is a rock. All of them deserve a piece of the rod.............

[bsfins]

But ...But...But....one is an igneous rock,one is a mineral,and one is stone,crushed limestone...

 

[CF DolFan]

How long until we can put in the new logo? 😃

[Sunstroke]

How long until we can put in the new logo? 😃 

Roughly two weeks after we induct all the fans who whined about the new logo...

[CF DolFan]

Roughly two weeks after we induct all the fans who whined about the new logo...

They go in right after the fans who pretend to be above the fray

[Spider-Dan]

But first order of business is to induct the fans that actually like it, right?

[Thundergod]

Roughly two weeks after we induct all the fans who whined about the new logo...

I'll be a first ballot!   

[Sunstroke]

They go in right after the fans who pretend to be above the fray 

I'm not entirely sure you understand the meaning of "above the fray."  If I was above the fray, I wouldn't be saying a word about the issue...as I would be above it...since it is a fray.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I say induct the fans that care more about the logo than the draft!

[CF DolFan]

I say induct the fans that care more about the logo than the draft!

Who is that? We haven't had the draft yet so really nothing to care about. Has someone admitted this?