Dion Jordan top pick

[CF DolFan]

I was just reading an article and I actually really like what Ireland said about him. I'm not a big "next Dan Marino, Emmit Smith, Jerry Rice" kind of a guy so I always kind of cringe when I hear people say that. we all know there is a hell of a lot of work between potential and actuality.

Anyway ... when speaking about him Ireland said "He reminds you of players at that position in the NFL that have had great success." For whatever reason that sounds so much better than "he can/ will be the next Aldon Smith or Jason Taylor".

[Pappy13]

OAK, frankly, got raped.

Value of 3rd overall pick is 2200 points.  MIA gave them 1200+480 = 1680 points.  That's between a #5 and a #6.

That's the typical value, but in this draft, there wasn't as much value in the top picks and more value in the 2nd round, so I don't think OAK got raped, but I do think Miami got good value.

[Doc-phin]

I am not a big fan of picking a tweener at #3 overall.  I would run right at this guy on third down.  Looks like he was split out very wide on a lot of his plays and we all saw how wide 9s worked out in Philly.

On a positive note, at least they are focused on getting what they believe to be "play makers", and he should be good against the newer, scrambling style QBs.  

I hope for the best with him, but I am reserved with my optomism.

[dolfan13]

i'm not a real big fan of ireland as most of his moves seem pretty conservative. omar kelly characterizes him as a guy that just hits "doubles", consistent, boring, value, alll add up to a roster that is 7-9 talent.

the move to go up and get jordan though is freaking awesome. go up and get a game changer, an elite player that is disruptive on the field. this is exactly the type of player the fins need on d. with the speed now at linebacker, and the speed off both edges, miami can play defense aggressive. great, great, great move to get this guy to compliment wake.

[CF DolFan]

Any team that has caused the Patriots problems has hit Tom Brady.  We used to be a thorn in the side of Brady and that was mainly because of Jason. We usually went as Jason went. Having bookend beasts will not only cause Brady some concern but give all the other QBs nightmares. Should be able to get to Luck more this year too!

[Pappy13]

I am not a big fan of picking a tweener at #3 overall.

I don't see him as a tweener. Go watch some tape. He actually does a real nice job setting the edge because he's so tall. He's as tall as most tackles, so he doesn't get swallowed up. Give him a year to add a little weight and he has the frame to put some weight on and he'll do fine.

I would run right at this guy on third down.

Miami would love it if you ran on this guy on passing downs.

Looks like he was split out very wide on a lot of his plays and we all saw how wide 9s worked out in Philly.

That's not what I saw at all. I saw this guy lined up all over the place. Compare the 2011 games below with the 2012 games. He was playing down in the dirt in 2011 and standing up in 2012. Chip Kelly's defense is inventive just like his offense.

2012

Vs Stanford

Vs Arizona State

Vs Oregon State/Washington State

Vs Fresno State

Vs USC

Vs Arizona

2011

Vs Arizona

Vs Washington

[Brian Fein]

Ireland is making moves like his job depends on it.  As he should be.

If MIA doesn't either a) win the division or b) win a wild card game, Ireland is done after this season.  And depending on who comes in to replace him, Philbin could be done too.

Just want to highlight this for MikeO who claims he's never seen anyone discuss Philbin getting fired...

[dolfan13]

Chip Kelly's defense is inventive just like his offense.

that is the key i think... build a defense that plays d like they are on offense. aggressive and proactive, vs passive and reactive.

nfl is not about power and big guys plodding all over the place anymore. speed, speed, speed is what u need on defense just as much as offense.

[Jim Gray]

I have no problem with the picking Dion, but I have a question for Mike and others who have followed the draft closely - did they have to move up?  Where was Jordan predicted to go? 

I ask because the analyst on ESPN seemed so shocked by the pick.  I got the impression they felt is was a reach. 

[stinkyfish]

I have no problem with the picking Dion, but I have a question for Mike and others who have followed the draft closely - did they have to move up?  Where was Jordan predicted to go? 

I ask because the analyst on ESPN seemed so shocked by the pick.  I got the impression they felt is was a reach. 

IMO, more than likely he would have been there without trading up. On the off chance he was gone, there were plenty of other good picks to be had. It's almost like Ireland and Co. had only one name on their 1st round list and had to have him at all costs. I just don't see the logic. The pick was a solid pick, but given the circumstances, the trade up wasn't worth it.

[MikeO]

IMO, more than likely he would have been there without trading up.

Cleveland was going to take him. Cleveland had to settle for Mingo, they wanted Jordan it came out. No way Jordan was getting past the Browns. Maybe not past Philly with Chip Kelly (Jordan's old coach) now there.

Jordan wasn't falling to #12

[dolfan13]

nfl has evolved into something closer to arena league football than parcellsian big, plodding, punishing football.

u need guys that can play in space, and jordan can do that from the de/olb position. rare talent with speed that can cover and rush the passer. definitely worth the risk to trade up and get.

comparisons to jt are not appropriate now, but you can do the same type of things with jordan. things like fake the rush, drop back in coverage ball hawking the middle of the field.

[Cdogg]

We should've drafted a new logo...

[bsfins]

To Jim's point,I saw a lot of Mock drafts going having Jacksonville taking Jordan with 2 (walterfootball,both had Jacksonville taking him at 2)
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts<--NFL.com had few of them taking Jordan at 2...

[Pappy13]

I ask because the analyst on ESPN seemed so shocked by the pick.  I got the impression they felt is was a reach. 

The reason the ESPN analysts were so shocked is because everyone thought they were moving up to pick
up Tackle Lane Johnson. It had nothing to do with the fact that Dion Jordan shouldn't have been the
3rd overall pick, it was that everyone thought Miami wanted a tackle, not a DE. They had no idea that
Miami coveted a DE.

I don't think that Miami is nearly as worried about their offensive line as everyone else seems to be.
Remember that Miami has on the roster right now the same players that they finished the season with
last year. I keep telling everyone that's not a bad offensive line, but no one seems to believe me.

These are the stats for the Offense in the last 3 games of the season (W/O Long)

Player          Plays yards TD AVG  AVG TD
Tannehill       109   653   4  6.0  .037
Complete        56    588   4  10.5 .071
Incomplete      32   
Scrambles       10    107      10.7    
Sacked          9     -37      -4.1
Bush            49    197   1  4.0  .020
Miller          21    104      5.0   
Thomas          1     6        6.0
Grand Total     180   960   5  5.3  .028

These are the stats for the Offense in the first 13 games of the season (W/Long)

Player          Plays yards TD AVG  AVG TD
Tannehill       442   2651  10 6.0  .023
Complete        228   2715  8  11.9 .035
Incomplete      155        
Sacked          23    -170     -7.4
Scrambles       22    120   2  5.5  .091
Moore           22    123   1  5.6  .045
Complete        11    131   1  11.9 .091
Incomplete      8          
Sacked          2     -9       -4.5   
Scrambles       1     1        1.0
Bush            179   793   5  4.4  .028
Thomas          91    328   4  3.6  .044
Miller          30    148   1  4.9  .033
Lane            13    18    2  1.4  .154
Grand Total     777   4061  23 5.2  .030