Dion Jordan top pick

[stinkyfish]

Cleveland was going to take him. Cleveland had to settle for Mingo, they wanted Jordan it came out. No way Jordan was getting past the Browns. Maybe not past Philly with Chip Kelly (Jordan's old coach) now there.

Jordan wasn't falling to #12

You can presume to say that Cleveland would have taken him, just as I can presume that he would have still been available at #12. At the end of the day, regardless of the rumors out in the wild, nobody knows who would have taken who. Even though this was a solid pick and the trade up had good value attached to it. My point is that this particular player, in my opinion, didn't warrant the #3 pick or moving up to get it. I feel that Jordan would have more than likely been available, if not you go get the next guy on your list. Even if Jordan was gone at #12. Do you not think that there were other players available just as good? It's almost like Ireland HAD to have this guy whatever the cost, at least that's my impression. It looks like a lot of the media and fans feel the same way as far as I can tell.

[bsfins]

Sort of interesting to hear how Jordan became,our pick...
Palmbeachblog post from Ben Volin

Series of tweets,about how we were targeting Tavon Austin.From Jeff Darlington...
@JeffDarlington: Extremely good value for a player Miami coveted. RT @cortega24: Opinion on MIA trade and pick of D. Jordan?

@JeffDarlington: More on Miami: They also coveted Tavon Austin but knew Bills wanted to trade to Rams outside division. So they took a shot at trade to 3...

@JeffDarlington: So Jeff Ireland took a shot. He called Oakland to see if he could trade up to get best player on his entire board -- even ahead of Tavon...

@JeffDarlington: Ireland knew Oakland wanted Hayden, who was likely to be around at No. 12. So he made his pitch to Raiders. And… they bit on the trade.

@JeffDarlington: Lesson of the day for NFL executives: It never hurts to ask. Ireland couldn't move up to get Austin… so he moved up even more to get Jordan.

@JeffDarlington: On Mar 12, after Dolphins landed Mike Wallace, I tweeted about team's "intriguing"  draft plans. Many have asked for weeks about that tweet.

@JeffDarlington: I feel comfortable now sharing: That plan, at that time, involved the pursuit of Tavon Austin. It was a hope all the way until yesterday.

@JeffDarlington: When Dolphins realized they couldn't get Austin, rather than hitting brakes, Ireland put his foot on the gas pedal… and got Jordan instead.

@JeffDarlington: Both. RT @ATLGreg1: So did Austin price himself out of their interest or did possibility of Jordan only become a reality yesterday?

I'm continuing these tweets because someone will argue,the counter point,I'll let Jeff Answer

@JeffDarlington: Some aren't understanding. MIA rated Jordan higher than Austin. RT @tnps47: Austin was available at 3. Phins couldve had him if they wanted.

@JeffDarlington: I'm baffled by how many of you aren't properly digesting what I'm telling you. RT @christrejo: Why didn't they get Austin with the 3rd?

@JeffDarlington: --> RT @FantasyTMS: Because you aren't telling them what they want to hear.

@JeffDarlington: MT @nightdemonx21: I understand. Ireland was hoping for Filet, but when he got to the restaurant, they were out. So ordered the Kobe beef.

@JeffDarlington: Correct. RT @AMorales916: Simple. When he realized he couldn't go to 8 for Tavon, 3 opened up for Jordan. Jordan rated higher on his board.

Ok, Sorry that's essentially Jeff Darlingtons Twitter feed for the past 10-15 minutes,but it does demonstrate how things change...

Modified to add last tweet

[Fau Teixeira]

they finished the year better than they started the year with the O-line

[Fau Teixeira]

i like the job that irelands doing .. i'm comfortable with him at the helm of the team for the next 10 years or so

[stinkyfish]

i like the job that irelands doing .. i'm comfortable with him at the helm of the team for the next 10 years or so

Really, that's interesting!

[MikeO]

You can presume to say that Cleveland would have taken him, just as I can presume that he would have still been available at #12. At the end of the day, regardless of the rumors out in the wild, nobody knows who would have taken who. Even though this was a solid pick and the trade up had good value attached to it. My point is that this particular player, in my opinion, didn't warrant the #3 pick or moving up to get it. I feel that Jordan would have more than likely been available, if not you go get the next guy on your list. Even if Jordan was gone at #12. Do you not think that there were other players available just as good? It's almost like Ireland HAD to have this guy whatever the cost, at least that's my impression. It looks like a lot of the media and fans feel the same way as far as I can tell.

Jordan was a Top 5 player in this draft. He wasn't going to fall as far as you think he would

And I think the only other pass rusher just as good as Jordan was Mingo and both would have been gone at #12. The trade was a good trade. Jordan is a Top 5 player in this draft. Taking him at 3 is fine and in the range he was expected to go.

P.S...Cleveland papers reporting they were prepared to take him at 6 or move up to 3 and get him but with no 2nd round pick they couldn't trade up like Miami could.

[CF DolFan]

The reason the ESPN analysts were so shocked is because everyone thought they were moving up to pick
up Tackle Lane Johnson. It had nothing to do with the fact that Dion Jordan shouldn't have been the
3rd overall pick, it was that everyone thought Miami wanted a tackle, not a DE. They had no idea that
Miami coveted a DE.

I don't think that Miami is nearly as worried about their offensive line as everyone else seems to be.
Remember that Miami has on the roster right now the same players that they finished the season with
last year. I keep telling everyone that's not a bad offensive line, but no one seems to believe me.

I know I was thinking "wth" with the pick and I don't base my job off of knowing what sports people are thinking. After review it looks like a very solid pick. Had I been paying attention to pre-draft rankings of other postiions than our little focus group I'd have known that.

[Spider-Dan]

If anyone can show me a professional mock draft where Jordan makes it to #12, I will happily concede that he was a reach at #3.

ESPN's three mocks (Kiper, McShay, Scouts Inc.) had him at #7, #2, #7.
FOX Sports (Schrager) had him at #4.
Sports Illustrated (King) had him at #4.
CBS's four mocks (Rang, Brugler, Kirwan, Prisco) had him at #6, #2, #4, #4.
NFL.com's four mocks (Mayock, Jeremiah, Casserly, Brooks) had him at #9, #8, #4, #5.

Ireland clearly got a good deal on the price to move up to #3.  The only real question is who you go with.  Would anyone here have been happy to see Ireland give up a first and a second for yet another first-round OLineman?  Should he have picked a DT?  Or went with Tavon Austin, who would have been even more of a reach?

You can make the argument that MIA should have stayed at #12 and gotten someone that turned out to still be available, but the idea that Jordan would still be on the board at #12 when Mingo went off at #6 is... not reasonable.  Of the thirteen mock drafts I just listed, Jordan went off the board before Mingo in all but one (and in that one, Jordan still went off at #8).

[stinkyfish]

Jordan was a Top 5 player in this draft. He wasn't going to fall as far as you think he would

And I think the only other pass rusher just as good as Jordan was Mingo and both would have been gone at #12. The trade was a good trade. Jordan is a Top 5 player in this draft. Taking him at 3 is fine and in the range he was expected to go.

P.S...Cleveland papers reporting they were prepared to take him at 6 or move up to 3 and get him but with no 2nd round pick they couldn't trade up like Miami could.

Maybe he would be there, maybe he wouldn't be there @ 12. I think there is a good chance he would have been available. If like you say, he was already picked by someone else, you move down your list. A pass rusher isn't our only need, there were other options. I don't mind taking Jordan. However, IMO, he isn't worth a #3 overall pick though. I guess it's moot at this point, I just don't see the logic.

[Spider-Dan]

#13 is retired and so is #12. The only other retired number is #39. #99 is fair game for anyone who wants to wear it as is #54

Do you really think it is random coincidence that no one had #99 last year?

That number will certainly be retired and the idea that Jordan should wear it is like saying that T.Y. Hilton could have worn #18 for IND because what's the problem?  It's fair game!

[Pappy13]

^^I would imagine the reason that no one wore #99 last year is because no one wanted to wear #99 in honor of JT and Dion may not either, but I still think it would be kind of cool if he did. I honestly don't think that JT would mind either. Now if they do decide to retire #99, then that's a different story, but that hasn't happened as of yet.

[mecadonzilla]

I really hope they don't retire #99.  I think JT is a HOFer for sure, but to retire his number is going too far IMO.  It's not like he was of Marino status.  (Still not happy about that # retiring either, but I can understand it.)

[MikeO]

Maybe he would be there, maybe he wouldn't be there @ 12. I think there is a good chance he would have been available. If like you say, he was already picked by someone else, you move down your list. A pass rusher isn't our only need, there were other options. I don't mind taking Jordan. However, IMO, he isn't worth a #3 overall pick though. I guess it's moot at this point, I just don't see the logic.

He wouldn't have been there. His pre-draft rankings were off the charts! The guy was considered a Top 5 pick by everyone and he went in the Top 5. There is no debate about this anymore.

[MikeO]

If anyone can show me a professional mock draft where Jordan makes it to #12, I will happily concede that he was a reach at #3.

ESPN's three mocks (Kiper, McShay, Scouts Inc.) had him at #7, #2, #7.
FOX Sports (Schrager) had him at #4.
Sports Illustrated (King) had him at #4.
CBS's four mocks (Rang, Brugler, Kirwan, Prisco) had him at #6, #2, #4, #4.
NFL.com's four mocks (Mayock, Jeremiah, Casserly, Brooks) had him at #9, #8, #4, #5.

Ireland clearly got a good deal on the price to move up to #3.  The only real question is who you go with.  Would anyone here have been happy to see Ireland give up a first and a second for yet another first-round OLineman?  Should he have picked a DT?  Or went with Tavon Austin, who would have been even more of a reach?

You can make the argument that MIA should have stayed at #12 and gotten someone that turned out to still be available, but the idea that Jordan would still be on the board at #12 when Mingo went off at #6 is... not reasonable.  Of the thirteen mock drafts I just listed, Jordan went off the board before Mingo in all but one (and in that one, Jordan still went off at #8).

Great post!

[Spider-Dan]

I really hope they don't retire #99.  I think JT is a HOFer for sure, but to retire his number is going too far IMO.  It's not like he was of Marino status. (Still not happy about that # retiring either, but I can understand it.)

JT is a HOF lock and the best defender in Dolphins history.  Not sure what you mean by "Marino status."

And if you're "not happy" about Dan freaking Marino's number being retired, I don't know what to tell you.