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« on: September 04, 2013, 08:15:41 am »

I think this is pretty interesting. One of the biggest things we hear is it's OK for blacks to use it and I've never agreed with it. Still don't. I'm a firm believer in that if we are all to be equal then we can't have a different set of rules, or even nationality names, for different races.  I don't think blacks should be using the N word any more than they should refer to themselves as African-American. I think it's a separatist term and does not promote unity or equality among other Americans ... who with the exception of less than 1% of the population, originated from somewhere else.

Anyway ... nice to see the discrimination aspect was equally upheld.

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Brandi Johnson sued her boss, STRIVE East Harlem founder Rob Carmona, after he targeted her in a slur-laced tirade. A Manhattan jury awarded $280,000 to Johnson, who recorded her boss using the epithet.

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BY DAREH GREGORIAN / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

PUBLISHED: TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2013, 2:14 PM
UPDATED: TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2013, 11:41 PM

Rob Carmona’s employee says she doesn’t care if he’s black; she doesn’t want to be called the N-word.


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Rob Carmona’s employee says she doesn’t care if he’s black; she doesn’t want to be called the N-word.

A Manhattan jury awarded $280,000 to a black woman who was repeatedly called the N-word by her boss — who’s also black, and claimed he used the vile epithet as an endearing term.

“My voice was heard today,” Brandi Johnson said Tuesday, after the eight-person federal jury awarded her $30,000 in punitive damages on top of the $250,000 it had already ordered STRIVE and its founder, Rob Carmona, to pay her in the discrimination case.

Carmona’s voice was also heard by the jury — on a damning tape recording Johnson had made of her boss chewing her out in March 2012.

In the tape, Carmona repeatedly uses the racial slur against the 38-year-old single mother of two and a co-worker.

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Brandi Johnson says she cried from humiliation after Carmona's expletive-filled rant.
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Brandi Johnson says she cried from humiliation after Carmona's expletive-filled rant.

“I’m not saying, using the term ‘n-----’ derogatory, ’cause sometimes it’s good to know when to act like a n-----. But y’all act like n-----s all the time,” Carmona said.

When Johnson told her boss she was offended by his language, he said, “You can be offended, but it’s true.”

“You and her act like n-----s. And n-----s let their feelings rule them,” he said.

Carmona didn’t dispute making the comments, but maintained that he was doling out “tough love.”

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Rob Carmona, founder of STRIVE International, was sued by an employee after dropping a string of N-words during a tirade.
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Rob Carmona, founder of STRIVE International, was sued by an employee after dropping a string of N-words during a tirade.

He testified that he was trying to tell Johnson she was “too emotional,” wrapped up in “the negative aspects of human nature.”

Carmona, who is black and of Puerto Rican descent, said the word has “multiple contexts” in the black and Latino communities, and not all of them bad.

He said the word can sometimes be used to convey love, and used the example of someone saying, “This is my n----.”

“That means my boy, I love him, or whatever,” Carmona said. Asked if he meant to indicate love when he called Johnson the word, he said, “Yes, I did.”

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Carmona leaves Manhattan court Tuesday. He testified that he was trying to tell Johnson she was 'too emotional,' wrapped up in 'the negative aspects of human nature.'
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Carmona leaves Manhattan court Tuesday. He testified that he was trying to tell Johnson she was 'too emotional,' wrapped up in 'the negative aspects of human nature.'

Johnson didn’t take it that way. She testified that she cried in the bathroom for 45 minutes after the tirade.

“I was hurt. I felt degraded. I felt disrespected,” she said. “I was embarrassed.”

She said she was later fired from her management job for having complained about Carmona’s conduct.

She had worked there for two years.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jury-n-word-workplace-article-1.1444600#ixzz2dvPz95n6
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 11:35:56 am »

I'm not sure how this is any different from a female boss calling her employees bitches, or a gay boss calling his/her employees f*gs.

It was an unprofessional, hostile work environment, and she was fired for complaining about it (<---this part is important).  If you're looking at this ruling as some sort of judicial commentary on why they can use that word but we can't, you're reaching.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 11:40:18 am »

Name calling of any kind creates a hostile work environment.  This ruling was justified. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 12:01:22 pm »

I'm not sure how this is any different from a female boss calling her employees bitches, or a gay boss calling his/her employees f*gs.

Or like Trayvon Martin calling Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker".

It was an unprofessional, hostile work environment, and she was fired for complaining about it (<---this part is important).  If you're looking at this ruling as some sort of judicial commentary on why they can use that word but we can't, you're reaching.

Derogatory terms directed from one human toward another human are wrong regardless of what group you are in. Stop making excuses for people.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 12:06:22 pm »

Or like Trayvon Martin calling Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker".
If only Martin had called Zimmerman an "asshole" and a "f*cking punk," then everything would have been fine.  (Or, alternatively, if Martin had a gun.)

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 01:19:21 pm »

I agree with this ruling. No one should be using derogatory or offensive terms to address employees or people they work with. It's unprofessional. Period.

What you refer to your friends and family is none of my business. You have the right to call anyone anything that you want. Just don't be surprised if there are consequences.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2013, 02:39:42 pm »

If only Martin had called Zimmerman an "asshole" and a "f*cking punk," then everything would have been fine.  (Or, alternatively, if Martin had a gun.)

Sounds like you saying that calling someone an asshole or a fucking punk is the same as using a racial slur. I would disagree. And by the way, if Martin would have had a gun. He would have been committing another crime in addition to assault and battery and all of his previous thug like behavior.

Why, yes they are.

They why do you continue to pretend that the same racial slur is different according to the party who uses it?
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 02:43:28 pm »

I agree with this ruling. No one should be using derogatory or offensive terms to address employees or people they work with. It's unprofessional. Period.

What you refer to your friends and family is none of my business. You have the right to call anyone anything that you want. Just don't be surprised if there are consequences.

Aside from using these derogatory and offensive terms at work where one could lose there job. I'm curious what consequences you are referring to?
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 06:36:51 pm »

Aside from using these derogatory and offensive terms at work where one could lose there job. I'm curious what consequences you are referring to?

Friends or family thinking you're an asshole or a bigot. Or saying it to the wrong person in public and getting into some sort of altercation.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2013, 08:29:57 pm »

Or like Trayvon Martin calling Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker".
Apples and horseshit.
He told his girlfriend he was being followed by a creepy ass cracker, according to her. He never insulted Zimmerman directly, which is what this case was about, so it has no comparison to this conversation...except your incessantly immature need to keep bringing unrelated crap into conversations.

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 08:30:55 pm »

Friends or family thinking you're an asshole or a bigot.

I would tend to agree with this. However, if they are your family or friends, they probably already know who you are and don't give a shit.

Or saying it to the wrong person in public and getting into some sort of altercation.

Now this one is interesting. I'm not sure who this mythical wrong person is but just because someone doesn't like the words you use to describe them doesn't give them any right to physically touch you in any way. That's how people get beaten, shot, and killed. Has nobody learned anything from Trayvon's actions. In the case of someone's little feelings getting hurt, my best advice would be to just take it or vacate the area. Sticks and stones.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2013, 08:33:31 pm »


Now this one is interesting. I'm not sure who this mythical wrong person is but just because someone doesn't like the words you use to describe them doesn't give them any right to physically touch you in any way. That's how people get beaten, shot, and killed. Has nobody learned anything from Trayvon's actions. In the case of someone's little feelings getting hurt, my best advice would be to just take it or vacate the area. Sticks and stones.

And yet another reference without evidence to back it up. Can you have a discussion that does not involve you tossing out another Zimmerman reference? Just curious.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 08:44:21 pm »

Apples and horseshit.
He told his girlfriend he was being followed by a creepy ass cracker, according to her. He never insulted Zimmerman directly, which is what this case was about, so it has no comparison to this conversation...except your incessantly immature need to keep bringing unrelated crap into conversations.

So you think it's OK to use racial slurs as long as it's not directly to the person that the slur is referring to? This case is about a black person calling another black person a n*****. The point is that a good percentage of the black population use, condone, and approve of the use of the word n***** when it is used by them. If anyone else dares to used the word they are labeled as racists. However, as pointed out, excuses are made for Trayvon's racial slur toward Zimmerman by these same blacks. Kind of a hypocritical double standard. Either everyone can use certain words or nobody can, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 08:50:59 pm »

And yet another reference without evidence to back it up.
I need evidence to back up a reference or observation?
Can you have a discussion that does not involve you tossing out another Zimmerman reference? Just curious.
If you don't want to discuss the topic or reply to my posts, feel free to exclude yourself. I guess you're still butt hurt over the verdict.

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 10:42:54 pm »

Let me see if I can navigate all the messages in this thread so far:

- all "racial slurs" are equal
- any racial slur used by anyone is equally bad, regardless of intent
- saying a racial slur about someone with hostile intent to a 3rd party is the same thing as saying it directly to another person's face
- racial slurs are Never An Excuse For Violence, yet Martin's use of a "racial slur" (and I use the term loosely*) is somehow relevant to his death

*Funny how "cracker" is now supposed to be this heinous racial slur, yet it's never, ever censored in any media story discussing it.  I'd say it is approximately the same level of "racial slur" as "the coloreds" or "chinaman."

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