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« on: September 09, 2013, 10:55:46 am »

I think this is kind of a funny situation because it's a bit ironic. A historically conservative organization fires a commentator for making conservative remarks in a political arena. Clearly not even remotely anything to do with calling games. He spoke his opinion based on his religion which represents his political alignment. Nothing crazy... just  mainstream ideals for the largest religion in this country.

The question is ... was he discriminated based on his religion?  If not,  should we screen all Christian newscasters on their view of homosexuality and fire them too or just keep it "don't ask don't tell?"

This isn't a debate about homosexuality.

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Footage of a Fox Sports presenter making a homophobic comment has led to his dismissal.
Craig James, a former NFL who played with the New England Patriots in the 1980s, said during a debate that gay people would 'have to answer to the lord for their actions'.
He made the remarks in a debate in Texas during his failed run at the Senate in 2012.
The 52-year-old former ESPN sportscaster, who was only hired by rival Fox a month ago, told the debate that being gay 'is a choice' and that people who 'choose to do that' will 'have to answer to the Lord for their actions'.
The comments, which drew hearty applause from the audience, left Fox bosses with little choice but to cancel his contract 'with immediate effect'.
'Craig James will not be making any further appearances on Fox Sports Southwest's football coverage this season,' a Fox Sports spokesperson told Sports Illustrated.
Another Fox spokesman told the Dallas Morning News: 'We just asked ourselves how Craig’s statements would play in our human resources department. He couldn’t say those things here.'
James stepped down from his role as sports presenter on ESPN to run for the Senate as a Republican in 2012. He made the comments during a debate in April 2012 that was televised across Texas.
'People choose to be gay... I think its a choice, I do.' he said. 'Same sex marriage, if someone chooses to do that, that's done. And God's going to judge each one of us in this room for our actions.
 
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'And in that case right there, they're going to have to answer to the Lord for their actions.'
As the audience applauded, he went on: 'We should not give benefits to those civil unions. They should not occur. We have to stay strong on this, this is important, man.

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Homophobic: The 52-year-old former ESPN sportscaster, who was only hired by rival Fox a month ago, told the debate that being gay 'is a choice' and that people who 'choose to do that' will 'have to answer to the Lord for their actions'
Homophobic: The 52-year-old former ESPN sportscaster, who was only hired by rival Fox a month ago, told the debate that being gay 'is a choice' and that people who 'choose to do that' will 'have to answer to the Lord for their actions'
'I'll tell you what, we have a fiscal issue in this country... we also have a moral issue in this country.'
Hiring James a month ago, FSSW executive producer Mike Anastassiou said: 'We’re excited to add Craig to the FOX Sports Southwest team.
'He’s a talented broadcaster who I’ve admired throughout his career. His knowledge of college football and the experience he brings as an analyst will be a tremendous asset to our coverage.'
James is a polarising figure who was embroiled in Texas Tech University's 2009 decision to fire popular football coach Mike Leach over allegations the coach mistreated Mr James's son, a Red Raiders player, after he sustained a concussion.
He was also a member of the record-setting SMU football team in the early 1980s when the program entered a series of scandals that ultimately forced the NCAA to shut it down.
Former player: James carries the football on a two-yard touchdown run for the New England Patriots in a 1986 AFC Divisional Playoff Game
Former player: James carries the football on a two-yard touchdown run for the New England Patriots in a 1986 AFC Divisional Playoff Game
He later played for the New England patriots between 1984 and 1988.
From 1979 to 1982, Mr James was a star player at SMU and was part of the record-setting 'Pony Express' backfield with Eric Dickerson.
Though the Mustangs won Southwest Conference championships in 1981 and 1982, the team was also embroiled in several NCAA investigations.
In 1987, the NCAA hit SMU with the so-called 'death penalty' for repeated infractions, shutting down the program for a year after finding SMU had continued to pay players after promising in 1985 it would stop.
SMU also chose not to play in 1988 because the NCAA would have limited the Mustangs to only seven games, none at home.
The scandal is generally considered among the worst in college sports history. The sanctions levelled by the NCAA decimated the Mustangs program and SMU remains the only school to be given the 'death penalty'.
Mr James was never directly implicated in the NCAA transgressions and he has consistently denied any involvement.


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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 11:14:57 am »

What he said aside, Fox hired him after these comments had been made and they were made in a public forum so their research should have turned this up prior to any hiring. I really do not agree with their decision in this particular instance. Had this been something that was done during his tenure, maybe I feel different.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 12:00:53 pm »

Is this the same "why are you being so intolerant of my bigotry against gays?" song from the Christian right?

It doesn't really fool anyone when you try to justify your discrimination by thumping the Bible.  That well went dry in the '50s and '60s.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 12:06:01 pm »

What he said aside, Fox hired him after these comments had been made and they were made in a public forum so their research should have turned this up prior to any hiring. I really do not agree with their decision in this particular instance. Had this been something that was done during his tenure, maybe I feel different.

If I ran the show I would not fired him for these comments, given the forum that they were made.  But informed him that he was on a very short leash to stay away from politics while employed by the show.

However, I disagree that the onus was on Fox to find out about the comments before hand and being they didn't they can't.  Particularly if as part of the hiring process they asked him something to the affect "we have a policy of non-discrimination at Fox Sports have you ever made any public comments that could be viewed as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.?" And he replied, "no".  



      

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 12:35:17 pm »

However, I disagree that the onus was on Fox to find out about the comments before hand and being they didn't they can't.      



I'm a bit confused by the grammar here but I think you are saying Fox isn't allowed to find out? Employers do background checks on prospective employees all the time. This really doesn't even take much research as it was common knowledge he ran for office and this was widely televised by the article.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 12:48:56 pm »

If I ran the show I would not fired him for these comments, given the forum that they were made.  But informed him that he was on a very short leash to stay away from politics while employed by the show.

However, I disagree that the onus was on Fox to find out about the comments before hand and being they didn't they can't.  Particularly if as part of the hiring process they asked him something to the affect "we have a policy of non-discrimination at Fox Sports have you ever made any public comments that could be viewed as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.?" And he replied, "no


Where has he discriminated anyone?
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 01:11:05 pm »

I'm a bit confused by the grammar here but I think you are saying Fox isn't allowed to find out?
He's saying that it's perfectly OK for FOX to fire him if they find out about this after the fact.

It's not like buying a car or something, where if you didn't find out that the transmission had a crudely-patched leaking problem until a year after you bought it, oh well, that's on you.  If they find out tomorrow that Curt Menefee has been a member of an anti-Semitic group since '98, Menefee can't say, "Well, you guys didn't find that out before you hired me, so no backsies!"
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 02:09:13 pm »


There are few people in the world of sports broadcasting that I dislike more than Craig James. He's a pompous douche of the first order, and he's an automatic channel-change the moment I see his face on my TV.

No surprise to learn that he's a homophobic bible-thumping slimeball...

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 02:31:14 pm »

I'm a bit confused by the grammar here but I think you are saying Fox isn't allowed to find out? Employers do background checks on prospective employees all the time. This really doesn't even take much research as it was common knowledge he ran for office and this was widely televised by the article.

They most certainly are allowed to do a background check.

But I don't see anything wrong with using new information if your background check yielded nothing.

The following hypo is much more extreme than this case just used to illiterate the point.

Let say I wanted to hire someone, I do a background check, check his job references etc, and nothing negative comes up so I hire him. 

A week after he starts I find out he is a neo-nazi and he spends his weekends handing out leaflets condemning the Jews for all the problems in this country and that the only reason why he applied for a job with my firm was so he can write an article about the evil working conditions that Jews subject their employees to. 

I also find out he was charged with several heinous felonies but the charges were dropped when the chief wittiness was murdered while waiting trial and the DA couldn't find sufficient evidence he was behind the murder.  This did not pop up on my criminal background check because he wasn't ever convicted of a felony.   

Should I be able to fire him because of the new info that I failed to find out during the background check or be barred because I didn't find out in time? 

Keep in mind the employment terms are employee at will. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 02:36:36 pm »

Where has he discriminated anyone?

Didn't say he did, but he certainly made statements that can be viewed as homophobic. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 02:40:08 pm »

I gotcha Hoodie. I really do not think that we should look at this example and your extreme one in the same way though. Each case has its own set of circumstances and need to be evaluated as such.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 02:47:22 pm »

Didn't say he did, but he certainly made statements that can be viewed as homophobic. 
If that's the case then every single Christian is homophobic as it's in the book that they follow. Outlaw the Bible then too are we? Maybe classify it as hate literature?

It cracks me up that people pretend offense to his statements. I mean, when did not being politically correct become illegal?

Christianity has not changed so where was the outcry for the last 2000 years? Maybe they weren't as enlightened and liberated back in the day huh?
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 02:49:13 pm »

Maybe classify it as hate literature?

Despite this being obviously facetious, it still represents the most rational statement I've heard from a Christian in years...

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 02:53:23 pm »

Despite this being obviously facetious, it still represents the most rational statement I've heard from a Christian in years...


What is hateful? You either choose to do or not do certain things or face eternal separation from God. No forcing. No criticizing. No bashing.

It's history, instructions and prophecy. It doesn't hate or love. It does condone love but other than in regards to the actual sin, does not even condone hate. Don't be confused by the people who used it for wrong.  
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 02:54:16 pm »

If that's the case then every single Christian is homophobic as it's in the book that they follow.
OK?  Look, if you are a homophobe, I don't care if it's in a book you like.  That doesn't make it OK.

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Outlaw the Bible then too are we?

Nobody is talking about outlawing anything.

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It cracks me up that people pretend offense to his statements. I mean, when did not being politically correct become illegal?

You seem to be mistaken about illegal vs. people not liking it.  Nobody has to like you and hire you as a public figure if they don't like the things you do.  It doesn't make those things are against the law.  Nobody is trying to put this guy in jail, they just don't want him as a face representing their company.

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Christianity has not changed so where was the outcry for the last 2000 years? Maybe they weren't as enlightened and liberated back in the day huh?
  Because new information and ways of thinking evolve, and people are expected to evolve with it.  If they don't, they get left behind.  People were racists and segregationists for thousands of years, too.
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