2.5 million Americans have lost their individual medical insurance policies sinc

[CF DolFan]

Who would handle the health insurance if the companies went out of business?

The government. They do so well running things we need to give them more responsibility.

[Spider-Dan]

We seem to have no problem giving gov't the most serious responsibility of all: the right to kill people.  But I suppose the buck stops at saving lives?

And just to get this out of the way: it is not necessary that law enforcement be run by a socialist, re-distributional arm of our government.  We could have private, free-market-based, for-profit law enforcement.  But that would resemble something like, say, the mafia a little more than most people are comfortable with.

[Spider-Dan]

Who would handle the health insurance if the companies went out of business?

The same entity that handles health insurance in most other developed countries: the government.

In fact, this kind of system already exists in America for people over 65: Medicare, which is one of the most popular and well-liked government programs in the history of this nation.

[Fau Teixeira]

The same entity that handles health insurance in most other developed countries: the government.

In fact, this kind of system already exists in America for people over 65: Medicare, which is one of the most popular and well-liked government programs in the history of this nation.

facts bad ! .. must repeat what conservative entertainment shows told me to think !!! ..

socialism bad .. pinko !

[pondwater]

The government. They do so well running things we need to give them more responsibility.

The government if full of waste and overspending and is accountable to no one. A private company has to balance spending with profits and income and is accountable to its stockholders. A private company has to compete on prices and can't steal money from the left pocket to fund the right pocket like the government does. There are not many government run enterprises that are financially successful. Medicare, medicaid, social security, entitlement programs, and the US postal service are all examples of government programs that are either full of fraud or that have funding problems and will face bankruptcy. Some of these programs may be bankrupt in our lifetime regardless of what the blind Obama homers tell you.

On May 31, the Medicare Trustees issued their annual report on the financial status of the program. The report outlines a program damaged by the Obama Administration’s health care law and on the fast track toward bankruptcy.

http://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/medicare-remains-on-fast-track-to-bankruptcy-

[CF DolFan]

The same entity that handles health insurance in most other developed countries: the government.

In fact, this kind of system already exists in America for people over 65: Medicare, which is one of the most popular and well-liked government programs in the history of this nation.

And we have to get out of both Social Security and Medicare or we will be bankrupt. Both my parents are on them but they are very limited and don't do very much for them. If they didn't have relatives they would be screwed.

These social services are the biggest lie sold to us. Man people think they can by on it and thus never save. The don't realize how screwed they are until it's too late.

[Fau Teixeira]

the government is accountable to the voters,

a private company has no business in the distribution of health care. it's a basic human right and not a privilege. the rest of the world has figured this out, we haven't yet.

private companies can and do steal money .. Enron, MCI, AIG, Lehman.

[Spider-Dan]

And we have to get out of both Social Security and Medicare or we will be bankrupt. Both my parents are on them but they are very limited and don't do very much for them. If they didn't have relatives they would be screwed.

These social services are the biggest lie sold to us. Man people think they can by on it and thus never save. The don't realize how screwed they are until it's too late.

All of this nonsense about how "Medicare will go bankrupt!" is just that: nonsense.

Polls consistently show that Medicare and Social Security are the highest priority of the voting public.  That means that they don't care what else you have to do... you WILL NOT end Medicare or SS.  Period.

So when the time comes, taxes will be raised to pay for Medicare.  It is literally just that simple.  And any politician who thinks the electorate would rather end Medicare than raise taxes won't be a politician for long.

[Spider-Dan]

I think this article (and graphic) pretty clearly demonstrates the result of Obamacare (once the website is working properly):



Article: Obamacare’s Three Per Cent

The money quote from the article, from MIT economist Jonathan Gruber (an architect of both Romneycare and Obamacare):

Gruber summarized his stats: ninety-seven per cent of Americans are either left alone or are clear winners, while three per cent are arguably losers. “We have to as a society be able to accept that,” he said. “Don’t get me wrong, that’s a shame, but no law in the history of America makes everyone better off.”

[pondwater]

Disapproval of Obamacare spikes in new poll conducted from Nov.14 through17. Might be bad for the democrats in the next election.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57612963/disapproval-of-obamacare-spikes-in-new-poll/

[Spider-Dan]

Interesting interpretation (I know you're quoting an article).  Another view:

No huge drop in Obamacare support despite rocky rollout: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Forty-one percent of Americans expressed support for the 2010 law popularly known as Obamacare in a survey conducted from Thursday to Monday. That was down 3 percentage points from a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken from September 27 to October 1.

Opposition to the healthcare law stood at 59 percent in the latest poll, versus 56 percent in the earlier survey.

There has been some shift ... but the shift has been small," said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson.

Jackson said the relatively small change in the poll numbers was consistent with a pattern in place since the passage of the law three years ago in which opinions about it have fluctuated very little.

"Overall, these opinions are already pretty fixed," Jackson said.

And just to head off the "Look how many people oppose it!" objection: a significant portion of those objecting believe it is not liberal enough (some of whom have posted in this thread).  Looking at polling for the last 3.5 years, if you combine those who are in favor of it with those who oppose it from the left, you get a clear majority who are against the GOP's attempts to repeal Obamacare and return to the old system.

[CF DolFan]

I disagree with Reuters. I think their polling is behind because it seems like everyone else is reporting it differently.

[pondwater]

Chief Justice John Roberts’ opinion simply changed the “penalty” as it was enacted by Congress to a “tax” and deemed it constitutional for that reason.
His logic was that while Congress did not have the power to require citizens to buy insurance, it could require them to pay a tax. That, however, raised the issue of the origination clause. The Framers exact fear of taxation without adequate representation has materialized due to the complete disregard of the mandates of the Origination Clause by the U.S. Senate.

Could this undo Obamacare? Hopefully, but we shall see.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/will-this-court-case-destroy-obamacare/

[Spider-Dan]

I disagree with Reuters. I think their polling is behind because it seems like everyone else is reporting it differently.

Not sure why you'd disagree, as Reuters has it at 59% opposed vs. CBS's 57%.

The difference is that CBS terms this a "spike" in the opposition (with no citation of a previous percentage opposed), while Reuters categorizes it as normal fluctuation.

[pondwater]

^^^

I disagree with Reuters. I think their polling is behind because it seems like everyone else is reporting it differently.

I fixed my post to reflect current. Thanks for the heads up

Disapproval of Obamacare spikes in new poll conducted from Nov.14 through17. Might be bad for the democrats in the next election.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57612963/disapproval-of-obamacare-spikes-in-new-poll/