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« on: November 08, 2013, 08:38:15 am »

From Foxsports

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-situation-troubling-on-so-many-levels-110713

Like most everyone, I’ve been following the story coming out of the Miami Dolphins locker room these past several days with a certain interest as to what constitutes adult bullying.
 
Most reasonable people agree that Richie Incognito crossed and erased the line between harmless NFL rookie initiations and outright harassment in his dealings with teammate Jonathan Martin.


I can’t think of a scenario where anyone expresses to a coworker the desire to “s--- in your f------ mouth,” “and slap your real mother across the face,” topped off with “I’ll kill you,” sans consequence. Especially once the recipient of such pleasantries complains to the boss.
 
I concede that being a NFL lineman is not the same as being a schoolteacher or a banker, and it is a unique workplace, but let’s not fictionalize NFL locker rooms to the point where we lead anyone to think the normal bounds of human decency don’t apply within those walls.
 
There is more than a subtle difference between sticking guys with an excessive dinner check and using them as human ATMs. Or the embarrassment that comes from being saddled with an ugly haircut for the summer and the humiliation that comes from being called a “half n---- piece of s--t.” Again, reasonable people understand this.

What struck me Wednesday, however, is the building chorus coming from the Dolphins locker room in defense of Incognito. It is clear they want us all to know that despite his use of the “n-word”, their embattled teammate is not a racist. And in the absence of other facts, I am willing to give Incognito the benefit of the doubt on that issue.
 
Of greater concern to me is the revelation via a former Dolphins player to Miami Herald reporter Armando Salguero that black Dolphins players have handed out a “honorary black” designation to Incognito.
 
I suppose the honor comes with benefits like using the n-word without fear of repercussion, while assuming none of the risks like being subjected to pesky stop and frisk procedures by law enforcement. But, I digress …

Another former Dolphins employee indicated that Jonathan Martin’s Stanford education and personal background as the son of two highly educated parents, along with the way he “carried himself,” made Martin seem “soft” and less accepted by his black teammates in particular. After conversations with multiple people familiar with the dynamics inside Miami’s locker room, Salguero wrote, “Martin was considered less black than Incognito.”
 
Seriously.
 
This notion that a black person who talks a certain way or who is educated beyond that of his or her peers is somehow “less black” is not novel. It stretches far back to the days of slavery when “Field Negroes” were pitted against “House Negroes” as a way to divide and conquer the race and keep the inequitable system unchallenged and in place.
 
Today, it keeps countless young black children from reaching their highest aspirations and potential out of fear of being ostracized by friends. I am not surprised these age-old misconceptions are alive and well inside a NFL locker room. Yet, I am surprised by the new twist.

Described as "cerebral" and "studious," I imagine Jonathan Martin has encountered the idea before that he was “less black” sometime over the course of his life. I bet this is the first time he finds himself positioned as such against a white teammate with highly questionable motivational skills, however.
 
The alleged victim of bullying remains in self-exile in California while honorary blackness has been bestowed upon his alleged bully who has been suspended by the team indefinitely and who, by all accounts, is missed dearly by everyone in the locker room.
 
I’d like to see one of Martin’s fellow black teammates stand up and unequivocally defend him now in ways they wouldn’t because they didn’t want to, or couldn’t because they were unaware of the full effect the behavior was having on Martin when he was still among them.
 
I’d like to see Martin build or reclaim the confidence and self-esteem needed that would have allowed him to stand up for himself sooner instead of seemingly, going along to get along.
 
Lastly, I’d like to have Incognito’s honorary membership revoked.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2013, 08:40:17 am »

Turns out they are saying other players beat him and verbally harassed him too. I have it on good authority it was Caleb Sturgis!!
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 08:51:49 am »

While certain members if this board continue standing up for Incognito and Miami in general, you guys are aware that the rest of the country are laughing pitifully at you, right? There's a general vibe of, "what the hell's wrong with them?" directed at the people who somehow find that this is either entertaining or that the Phins as a whole aren't at fault here. -EK
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 08:58:40 am »

I actually find Incognito a somewhat sympathetic figure in this.  He was trying to help Martin (on company orders), in his own misguided way.

CF's commentary just reinforces the idea that football players are mindless beasts that should solve their problems by punching them.  Ha ha, he was probably beat up by the kicker!  What a wuss!
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2013, 09:42:06 am »

While certain members if this board continue standing up for Incognito and Miami in general, you guys are aware that the rest of the country are laughing pitifully at you, right?

Actually I'm hearing a lot of people say Martin handled this poorly and they are tired of hearing about this story. This is from non-Dolphins fans while we watched the games on TV last night.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2013, 11:18:50 am »

Spider... It is a joke to me. Not Martin but all the feigning horror BS that is being spewed by so many hypocrites. Ditka even did it and one of his players lost an eye in a hazing incident so please excuse me for not pretending to care when in reality I don't. I'm much more concerned with girls who bully other girls and so on. Unfortunately I had to deal with that and not from the good side. There's no excuse... Ever!! But I don't feel bad for an overgrown millionare crybaby that did absolutely nothing to help himself or protect his other teammates. I'm certainly not going to base my opinion on people who have no idea what it's like to have to count on someone in a fight.

Apparently there is a 1-800 numbers for players to "anon" contact the NFL to discuss issues. Didn't use that either.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 11:47:31 am »

Actually I'm hearing a lot of people say Martin handled this poorly and they are tired of hearing about this story. This is from non-Dolphins fans while we watched the games on TV last night.

Right or Wrong Martin doesn't have the majority of the public on his side and isn't getting much sympathy at this time. I haven't seen anyone in the press stand up for Incognitio either and defend his words in the voicemails and such. Almost all agree his suspension was warranted and the vast majority of rational fans and people called for it immediately once this story broke, as I did. Now public perception might swing towards Martin in a big way if he has more evidence he is withholding or as more information comes out. Unless some new/juicy info comes out soon this story is getting kinda boring and beginning to die some from a national perspective. Of course after I submit this post watch some new tidbit will come out and well...ignore the part about the story dying...lol
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 11:52:30 am »

Upon reading this I realize that Richie's slur might have meant something different than I first thought.

He called him a "half n-word"  Which might be a more vulgar form of the insult of calling an African-American an "Oreo."

Not that I consider that acceptable behavior, but it does have a different meaning. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 12:16:36 pm »

I'm much more concerned with girls who bully other girls and so on. Unfortunately I had to deal with that and not from the good side.

I'd be interested in hearing which side of that situation you feel is the good side...

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 12:37:40 pm »

and not from the good side.

I am with Sunstroke on this one.  Which side of bullying is the "good side"

Also why is girl on girl bullying worse than boy on boy? 
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 01:04:07 pm »

He called him a "half n-word"  Which might be a more vulgar form of the insult of calling an African-American an "Oreo."

Not that I consider that acceptable behavior, but it does have a different meaning. 

I'm more than a little hesitant at the prospect of diving further into this cesspool, but the likely reference is that Martin is of mixed heritage.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2013, 01:14:37 pm »

I'd be interested in hearing which side of that situation you feel is the good side...


Good side was not a great choice of words although I would have felt better if it had been my daughter being bullied. My daughter was part of the bullying. It involved a boy and she lost her mind one weekend. Fortunately she has a sister who quickly alerted us and we stepped in. As well, the other girl wasn't overly concerned but that didnt change anything from our perspective.

Hooie- I'm just as concerned with boy on boy ... Hence the phrase "and such". As sad is it is to hear I'm not really overly concerned with alpha makes being bullied.

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 01:38:51 pm »

Why is it that you continue to think that Martin must be an alpha male, despite story after story (even from other players) saying that he was "weird," shy, wouldn't look people in the eye, etc.?

How is it that Martin is simultaneously a) an alpha male who deserves little sympathy for being bullied and b) an incredible wimp who refuses to stand up for himself?
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 02:34:09 pm »

Therein lies the problem. If he wasn't a thick skinned alpha male he had no business even being in there.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 02:46:50 pm »

But he was in there.  He was an All-American in college and a second-round draft pick.  So what's supposed to happen at this point?

It's almost like the locker room culture takes precedence over what happens on the field.
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