British hospitals burned bodies of aborted, miscarried babies to heat buildings

[Fau Teixeira]

LOL at fetuses being human.

even if they are human .. they have no inherit right to the mother's body .. they are there purely through consent.

[Buddhagirl]

even if they are human .. they have no inherit right to the mother's body .. they are there purely through consent.

Agreed 100%. This isn't the Handmaid's Tale or some shit.

[masterfins]

even if they are human .. they have no inherit right to the mother's body .. they are there purely through consent.

If the mother didn't want to have a child, then she shouldn't have had sex, or she should have used protection.  Isn't that what is said to the men that become reluctant fathers???

[Buddhagirl]

If the mother didn't want to have a child, then she shouldn't have had sex, or she should have used protection.  Isn't that what is said to the men that become reluctant fathers???

This sounds like some straight up MRA (Men's Rights Activist) bullshit. Do carry on!

[Cathal]

^^^ He is right. If you don't want a child then either don't have sex or make sure everyone uses protection. It's not 100% protection but at least you could say you tried.  But, this is off topic anyway.

[Fau Teixeira]

^^^ He is right. If you don't want a child then either don't have sex or make sure everyone uses protection. It's not 100% protection but at least you could say you tried.  But, this is off topic anyway.

It's not really off topic .. the topic is that somehow an an aborted fetus carries more inherent rights than a piece of medical waste.

I don't know what is more on topic than the underlying cause of that belief.

If you don't want a pregnancy, then terminate the pregnancy. It's very very simple.  I don't have the right to tell a woman she must carry to term. Even were the fetus recognized as a human being and legally represented. A human being doesn't have the right to be a parasite off of another human being without consent. A human being cannot be forced into being an organ donor .. or a blood donor. We are forcing women to be a uterus donors when they are prevented from terminating a pregnancy when they want to.

This brings me to the hypocrisy of the libertarian wing of the republican party. if you are a libertarian .. you by definition MUST support the freedom of the mothers to not have the government dictate their forced continued medical state. Those of us who value freedom can no more force a woman to remain pregnant than we can prevent a person from having elective plastic surgery or from having a wisdom tooth removed.

[Buddhagirl]

It's not really off topic .. the topic is that somehow an an aborted fetus carries more inherent rights than a piece of medical waste.

I don't know what is more on topic than the underlying cause of that belief.

If you don't want a pregnancy, then terminate the pregnancy. It's very very simple.  I don't have the right to tell a woman she must carry to term. Even were the fetus recognized as a human being and legally represented. A human being doesn't have the right to be a parasite off of another human being without consent. A human being cannot be forced into being an organ donor .. or a blood donor. We are forcing women to be a uterus donors when they are prevented from terminating a pregnancy when they want to.

This brings me to the hypocrisy of the libertarian wing of the republican party. if you are a libertarian .. you by definition MUST support the freedom of the mothers to not have the government dictate their forced continued medical state. Those of us who value freedom can no more force a woman to remain pregnant than we can prevent a person from having elective plastic surgery or from having a wisdom tooth removed.

::slowclap::

[masterfins]

This sounds like some straight up MRA (Men's Rights Activist) bullshit. Do carry on!

Actual its about Human Rights, sorry but a large percentage of the worldwide population disagrees with you about when life begins.

[Fau Teixeira]

right and wrong isn't a popularity contest

[Spider-Dan]

Buddha, it's not quite MRA.

MRA advocates say since women can opt out, let men opt out too.
Pro-lifers say since men can't opt out, don't let women opt out either.

There is a difference.

[masterfins]

It's not really off topic .. the topic is that somehow an an aborted fetus carries more inherent rights than a piece of medical waste.

I don't know what is more on topic than the underlying cause of that belief.

If you don't want a pregnancy, then terminate the pregnancy. It's very very simple.  I don't have the right to tell a woman she must carry to term. Even were the fetus recognized as a human being and legally represented. A human being doesn't have the right to be a parasite off of another human being without consent. A human being cannot be forced into being an organ donor .. or a blood donor. We are forcing women to be a uterus donors when they are prevented from terminating a pregnancy when they want to.

This brings me to the hypocrisy of the libertarian wing of the republican party. if you are a libertarian .. you by definition MUST support the freedom of the mothers to not have the government dictate their forced continued medical state. Those of us who value freedom can no more force a woman to remain pregnant than we can prevent a person from having elective plastic surgery or from having a wisdom tooth removed.

First off I'm not a Republican or right winger, far from it, I'm a middle of the road Democrat.  Secondly, I am a pro life person, not a zealot about the topic, but I believe abortion is wrong except in certain situations such as the health of the mother.

I'd agree the article that is the source of this topic was written for shock value and to inflame the discussion.  I'm sure the hospitals were just using the most cost effective method of disposing of medical waste, I think its sad that aborted or miscarried babies fall into this category.

However, I strongly disagree with your comments about an unborn child being a parasite, and that we are forcing women to be uterus donors.  Unless its a case of rape, or the woman was not mentally right, then she knew that having unprotected sex could lead to a pregnancy.  There are consequences to actions.

[pondwater]

However, I strongly disagree with your comments about an unborn child being a parasite, and that we are forcing women to be uterus donors.  Unless its a case of rape, or the woman was not mentally right, then she knew that having unprotected sex could lead to a pregnancy.  There are consequences to actions.

I'm not female so it doesn't affect me either way. I do agree with you though. The child isn't being forced upon the mother. The mother made a choice to have sex. The mother should be held accountable for her actions. Not doing so teaches people that they can do things and not be held accountable. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. While I'm not strictly against abortion, I feel that women that use it as a form of birth control should be sterilized upon using that option. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, make sure those actions aren't an option in the future.

[Dave Gray]

I strongly disagree with your comments about an unborn child being a parasite,

I'm not even taking a stance on this issue, but a fetus is quite literally a parasite.

[Buddhagirl]

I'm not female so it doesn't affect me either way. I do agree with you though. The child isn't being forced upon the mother. The mother made a choice to have sex. The mother should be held accountable for her actions. Not doing so teaches people that they can do things and not be held accountable. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. While I'm not strictly against abortion, I feel that women that use it as a form of birth control should be sterilized upon using that option. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, make sure those actions aren't an option in the future.

Uhm...hold the fuck up. Isn't having an abortion taking responsibility for your actions? Let's work through this.Shit went down. Woman gets pregnant. Woman can't be pregnant now for whatever reason. Woman has abortion. She took responsibility for her actions. Done and done.

Buddha, it's not quite MRA.

MRA advocates say since women can opt out, let men opt out too.
Pro-lifers say since men can't opt out, don't let women opt out either.

There is a difference.

Actually, I agree with you on this one. Either way, they're all assholes.

And, masterfins, a fetus is EXACTLY what a parasite is. You must have been asleep on that day in science class. Or maybe you just like to punish those dirty, filthy whores for all that sexing!

As stated above, isn't having an abortion taking responsibility for your actions? Please explain.

[Fau Teixeira]

i never said you were a republican .. i didn't even mean to imply it. It was more of a comment on the hypocrisy of the R. Paul wing of the party.

I believe smoking cigarettes is wrong. I don't try to force my views on other people. I believe not vaccinating your children is wrong and selfishly evil. I don't want the government to arrest parents that refuse to vaccinate their children.

If you believe that abortion is wrong, then by all means .. don't have one. I would never think of asking you to.

You can disagree with my characterization of parasite, as long as you tell me what one being feeding off of and at the detriment of another being against their consent is called.

I'm trying to understand your views, truly. What is your basis for prohibiting women from terminating pregnancies?