British hospitals burned bodies of aborted, miscarried babies to heat buildings

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm not female so it doesn't affect me either way. I do agree with you though. The child isn't being forced upon the mother. The mother made a choice to have sex. The mother should be held accountable for her actions. Not doing so teaches people that they can do things and not be held accountable. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. While I'm not strictly against abortion, I feel that women that use it as a form of birth control should be sterilized upon using that option. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, make sure those actions aren't an option in the future.

Why would you chose to interfere with free market transactions?

A woman pays a doctor to terminate a pregnancy. A doctor performs a service. What is your basis for government interference in a private transaction?

[pondwater]

Uhm...hold the fuck up.

Uhm...no, you hold the fuck up.

Isn't having an abortion taking responsibility for your actions? Let's work through this.Shit went down. Woman gets pregnant. Woman can't be pregnant now for whatever reason. Woman has abortion. She took responsibility for her actions. Done and done.

The bolded part above it the part that you're glossing over. If woman gets pregnant, why can't woman be pregnant right now, barring a medical reason or rape? An abortion for only birth control and/or convenience reasons is not being responsible. Being responsible would be not getting pregnant in the first place and taking care of your kid when you do.

[pondwater]

Why would you chose to interfere with free market transactions?

A woman pays a doctor to terminate a pregnancy. A doctor performs a service. What is your basis for government interference in a private transaction?

If a fetus is a parasite, then why on earth would a person have a parasite inserted deep inside their body for no reason to begin with? Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

There is no need to pay a doctor to terminate a parasite unless there is a risk to the mother. The parasite will terminate automatically in approximately 9 months. 

[Buddhagirl]

Uhm...no, you hold the fuck up.
The bolded part above it the part that you're glossing over. If woman gets pregnant, why can't woman be pregnant right now, barring a medical reason or rape? An abortion for only birth control and/or convenience reasons is not being responsible. Being responsible would be not getting pregnant in the first place and taking care of your kid when you do.

There are a million and one reasons a woman can't be pregnant right now. Maybe she's unemployed, too young, in school, 50 years old and thought her baby making days were over. The list goes on and on. But...the biggest reason is she does not want to have a baby or be pregnant.

Having an abortion IS being responsible. I don't quite understand how it's not unless you're one of those that believes a clump of cells is a person and if that's the case then nothing I say is going to change your mind. I just hope that you were ok being a father to every woman you've ever slept with rather it was casual or not. Because once she's knocked up you're on the hook, too. No abortions allowed.

[pondwater]

I just hope that you were ok being a father to every woman you've ever slept with rather it was casual or not. Because once she's knocked up you're on the hook, too. No abortions allowed.

No abortions needed. As easy as it would be to do, I don't go around knocking people up all the time. Ah, yes, fatherless children. Go look that demographic up and see who's getting all of the abortions. That may have something to do with it. But then again, a new thread may be needed for that one.

[Fau Teixeira]

There are a million and one reasons a woman can't be pregnant right now. Maybe she's unemployed, too young, in school, 50 years old and thought her baby making days were over. The list goes on and on. But...the biggest reason is she does not want to have a baby or be pregnant.

Having an abortion IS being responsible. I don't quite understand how it's not unless you're one of those that believes a clump of cells is a person and if that's the case then nothing I say is going to change your mind. I just hope that you were ok being a father to every woman you've ever slept with rather it was casual or not. Because once she's knocked up you're on the hook, too. No abortions allowed.

pondwater would rather women put their kids on welfare than be responsible and terminate the pregnancy.

[Fau Teixeira]

If a fetus is a parasite, then why on earth would a person have a parasite inserted deep inside their body for no reason to begin with? Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

There is no need to pay a doctor to terminate a parasite unless there is a risk to the mother. The parasite will terminate automatically in approximately 9 months. 

it's a matter of intent .. if a woman intends to carry full term .. it's not a parasite .. if a woman is forced to carry it to term against her will by the government .. then it's a parasite ..  .. it's the difference between a volunteer army and the draft . .between charity and taxes .. you should recognize the difference

[Buddhagirl]

pondwater would rather women put their kids on welfare than be responsible and terminate the pregnancy.

That's what it sounds like. I guess he's ok with paying those tax dollars.

[Sunstroke]

That's what it sounds like. I guess he's ok with paying those tax dollars.

No, he'd likely bitch about that too...

[Buddhagirl]

No, he'd likely bitch about that too...

Of course he would. So precious.

[Spider-Dan]

Unless its a case of rape, or the woman was not mentally right, then she knew that having unprotected sex could lead to a pregnancy.

Protected sex can lead to pregnancies.  So can using the pill.  So can "pulling out."  So is it abstinence or nothing, then?

There are consequences to actions.

That's not a very meaningful statement if you're the one enforcing unnecessary consequences.  This is the 21st century, not the 12th; sex does not have to lead to a full-term pregnancy any more than a baby that cannot safely fit through the birth canal has to result in the death of the baby, mother, or both.

Your argument is no different than saying, "My wife chose to backtalk me, and so she got punched in the face.  Actions have consequences."  The consequence only follows the action because you are forcing it to do so.

[pondwater]

pondwater would rather women put their kids on welfare than be responsible and terminate the pregnancy.

That's what it sounds like. I guess he's ok with paying those tax dollars.

No, he'd likely bitch about that too...

Of course he would. So precious.

Why would they have to put their kids on welfare? Responsibility would be to get a job and support your kids. Not really hard to do for most of us. But I guess some people are lazy and would rather game the system. As I said, go look up the demographics of who's getting all the abortions and welfare. Now that's something to bitch about.

[Spider-Dan]

So "responsibility" means not having sex unless you can afford kids.
Even though medical technology removed that as a necessary consequence 50 years ago.
Right.

You are trying to enforce pregnancy as a moral punishment for having sex.  And for the children of those who fail the morality test of being too poor to have sex?  Well, they certainly don't deserve welfare, so I guess they should starve.

That will teach those children to be born to poor people that like to have sex.

[Buddhagirl]

Why would they have to put their kids on welfare? Responsibility would be to get a job and support your kids. Not really hard to do for most of us. But I guess some people are lazy and would rather game the system. As I said, go look up the demographics of who's getting all the abortions and welfare. Now that's something to bitch about.

So, as I stated before, pregnancy is a way to show those dirty, poor sluts.

[masterfins]

pondwater would rather women put their kids on welfare than be responsible and terminate the pregnancy.

Oh please.  I know many couples that have traveled around the globe just to adopt.  Any woman in the US that wanted to give their baby up for adoption would have a line around the block with people wanting to take the baby.