Mozilla CEO steps down amid gay marriage controversy

[Spider-Dan]

They also have chicken salad which is different.

McDonald's sells chicken salad.

[Fau Teixeira]

Well then why don't you tell me what "your" current definition of normal is and how it applies to homosexuality and we'll go from there.

how about we go with every single vertebrate species exhibits a homosexual behavior across a percentage of the population

i would say it's normal for a certain percentage of people to be homosexual

[Phishfan]

McDonald's sells chicken salad.

That is A salad with chicken, not ckicken salad. Maybe it isn't popular in CA so you aren't familair with the difference?

In this part of the world chicken salad is like a spread for sandwiches.

[pondwater]

how about we go with every single vertebrate species exhibits a homosexual behavior across a percentage of the population

i would say it's normal for a certain percentage of people to be homosexual

I was talking to that "other guy", but I guess you'll do!

"normal" is defined as...

    dictionary.reference.com
        "conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural."
        "approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment." b. free from any mental disorder; sane.
    thefreedictionary.com
        "Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical"
        "Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies."
        the usual, average, or typical state, degree, form
    websters-onlinline-dictionary.org
        "Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal"
        "Being approximately average or within certain limits in e.g. intelligence and development; "a perfectly normal

For your convenience, the universally accepted definitions of normal are listed above from 3 sources. Homosexuality does not fit in the definition of normal because it is statistically practiced by less than 5% of the population. So, by definition, homosexuality is not normal.

[pondwater]

how about we go with every single vertebrate species exhibits a homosexual behavior across a percentage of the population

i would say it's normal for a certain percentage of people to be homosexual

So you say that since a small percentage of the animal kingdom exhibits homosexual behavior that it is normal. I would counter the same point that I made above. It is a small percentage of the animal kingdom that has this behavior and a small percentage does not fit the definition of normal. Actually, a small percentage is within is the definition of abnormal.  And since when did we equate what is normal in the animal kingdom is normal for humans?

If you are going to apply that standard, then we should also consider all of the following normal for human beings.

eating placentas.
eating other humans alive.
eating your own young.
regurgitating food to feed to your young.
eating your own shit.
smelling other human's asses.
and so on, and so on........

All of these things are normal in the animal kingdom and happen at a higher percentage than homosexual behavior does. Does that make them "NORMAL" for humans to do? Ummm, NO

[pondwater]

That is A salad with chicken, not ckicken salad. Maybe it isn't popular in CA so you aren't familair with the difference?

In this part of the world chicken salad is like a spread for sandwiches.

LOL, as in a chicken salad sandwich, duh. Phish, I think these guys are confused about chicken in general, ha.

[Sunstroke]

So you say that since a small percentage of the animal kingdom exhibits homosexual behavior that it is normal. I would counter the same point that I made above. It is a small percentage of the animal kingdom that has this behavior and a small percentage does not fit the definition of normal. Actually, a small percentage is within is the definition of abnormal.  And since when did we equate what is normal in the animal kingdom is normal for humans?

If you are going to apply that standard, then we should also consider all of the following normal for human beings.

eating placentas.
eating other humans alive.
eating your own young.
regurgitating food to feed to your young.
eating your own shit.
smelling other human's asses.
and so on, and so on........

All of these things are normal in the animal kingdom and happen at a higher percentage than homosexual behavior does. Does that make them "NORMAL" for humans to do? Ummm, NO

It is abnormal that anyone would consider that argument as being logical.

[Fau Teixeira]

that would be abnormal yes

[Buddhagirl]

So you say that since a small percentage of the animal kingdom exhibits homosexual behavior that it is normal. I would counter the same point that I made above. It is a small percentage of the animal kingdom that has this behavior and a small percentage does not fit the definition of normal. Actually, a small percentage is within is the definition of abnormal.  And since when did we equate what is normal in the animal kingdom is normal for humans?

If you are going to apply that standard, then we should also consider all of the following normal for human beings.

eating placentas.
eating other humans alive.
eating your own young.
regurgitating food to feed to your young.
eating your own shit.
smelling other human's asses.
and so on, and so on........

All of these things are normal in the animal kingdom and happen at a higher percentage than homosexual behavior does. Does that make them "NORMAL" for humans to do? Ummm, NO

Please cite your sources.

[pondwater]

It is abnormal that anyone would consider that argument as being logical.

that would be abnormal yes

So, you get to pick and choose which animal kingdom behaviors are normal for humans to partake in? It's either, animal behaviors are normal behaviors for humans or they aren't. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Pick a side and live with it. Otherwise you have no credibility.

[Cathal]

While I'm not on Pondwater's side, he is right in that you can't pick and choose which attributes you want to support your side.

[MaineDolFan]

Keep it clean.

Please keep / stop / refrain from all forms of personal attacks.

Additionally, in the event you're referring a post to a mod for assistance, please do not add "fuel to the fire" (IE - let us handle it, please).

Carry on...nicely.  Or it gets locked down.  This one is starting to run it's course.

[pondwater]

While I'm not on Pondwater's side, he is right in that you can't pick and choose which attributes you want to support your side.

I'm not sure what "side" you think that I'm on. However, thanks for using logic and reason instead of emotion and politics.

[Fau Teixeira]

eating placentas. - people dessicate placentas and turn them into pills to take.
eating other humans alive. - herbivores don't, humans aren't predatorial carnivores
eating your own young. - same as above
regurgitating food to feed to your young. - humans aren't birds, and we invited food processors
eating your own shit. - 2 girls 1 cup
smelling other human's asses. - i'm sure you can find this shit online somewhere if you look hard enough

Soooo .. lets stop playing the hyperbole game. 

When it comes to the vertebrates, homosexuality is exhibited in all of the above. That's my standard.  and your number of 5% is purely a number you pulled out of your ass. All reports i've seen estimate the percentage at a solid 10%.

[Sunstroke]

So, you get to pick and choose which animal kingdom behaviors are normal for humans to partake in?

No it is normal for a minority of humans, as well as other animal species, to demonstrate homosexual tendencies.

You seem to be of the misguided opinion that for any behavior to be considered normal, it has to either be done by the majority of a species or espoused by the church.