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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2014, 05:52:50 am »

Not sure why this is even an issue. Were these statements public or private? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree with it or not. If the guy is of the opinion that "blacks are inferior", good for him. Why should anyone care? Is his opinion and active discrimination based on ethnicity the same thing? I think not. If the players don't like it, they can play like shit in protest or quit. As far as the jerseys inside out in protest thing goes, the owner of the team should make a rule against it ASAP. Actually, the league should make a rule against it and fine and/or suspend players for it. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2014, 06:45:10 am »

This guy is an old racist, and deserves what he gets, but his gold digging mistress completely baited him and set him up. I listened to the audio yesterday and you can for sure tell she's baiting him.  She's on a little less scum bag level than what he's on.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2014, 09:10:36 am »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree with it or not.

Everyone also is entitled to have their opinion about his opinion. See how that works? It is hypocritical to think that one person is allowed an opinion without others being able to speak up. We've covered this before so I don't know why you stick to this. Yes, he can feel how he wants but he has to expect for there to be a reaction.
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2014, 09:14:08 am »

She's on a little less scum bag level than what he's on.

For sure. She's a gold digger that has gotten what she can now that the wife is trying to sue her.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2014, 09:59:03 am »

That won't happen and they can't even legally take his team away,

Yes they can.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-nba-could-deliver-knockout-blow-to-donald-sterling-093958859.html

Several league officials – including owners and Board of Governors members – told Yahoo Sports they believe Silver has been studying the nuclear option on Sterling: a provision in the NBA's bylaws that would allow Silver to summon a vote of league owners to strip Sterling of his ownership. The NBA would run the Clippers until the team could be sold.

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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 12:25:21 pm »

I have a problem with the league taking away the franchise or fining him for making unpopular comments in private that were then leaked. 

I don't have a problem with fans refusing to buy tickets to the game or players protesting the owner, or players being less willing to sign as free agents, or players purposefully tanking the game to the point it becomes so unprofitable that Sterling has no choice but to sell or go bankrupt. 

Allowing a franchise to take way an owners business because of private statements that the franchise disagrees with is problematic.

For those who feel the league ought have the right to take away the franchise...would you feel the same if the following was the case:

Person buys a Chick-fil-A franchise.  Spends plenty of money developing it into thriving business.  Outwardly he pretends to be a Christian, goes to church, donates money to Operation rescue etc, has a nativity in his restaurant on xmas.    In a private conversation with his wife he mentions he is in fact an atheist and just pretends to believe in christ because it is good for business.  Unbeknownst to him his wife tape records the conversation.   Years later while going thru a messy divorce his wife releases the tape the following week Chick-fil demands that he cease operating the restaurant. 

Because if you would allow the NBA to take away Sterling's business you have to allow Chick-fil the same right. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 12:30:03 pm »

^ This is a bad analogy, which is so common for this site.

The NBA is a totally different situation and being a racist, with a history of high-profile racism, including lawsuits and settlements vs. being an atheist are totally different.  But, especially the NBA is different.  Chik-Fil-A isn't a managed monopoly with revenue sharing -- the NBA is.

The NBA probably won't make him sell, but they can suspend him indefinitely and make it miserable to be an owner until he leaves willingly.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2014, 01:18:39 pm »

  But, especially the NBA is different.  Chik-Fil-A isn't a managed monopoly with revenue sharing -- the NBA is.



The only problem with my analogy is that the Atheists could open an KFC the next day instead, whereas the business owner couldn't transfer his businesses into something else because as you said its a monopoly. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2014, 01:30:04 pm »

^^^ There is another major problem with your anology. Chick-fil-A requires their operators be a full time hand on owner. They are not to have any other business operations. Donald Sterling is not a one business person.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 01:33:33 pm »

^^^ I am not sure how that is relevant.



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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 01:50:51 pm »

Chik Fil-A doesn't have revenue sharing.  If the Clippers operate at a loss, they still get paid by the NBA's other teams and contracts.  That's how the Clippers survived for decades when they were negligent already and had no support.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2014, 02:09:05 pm »

I have a problem with the league taking away the franchise or fining him for making unpopular comments in private that were then leaked.
The privacy of these comments is irrelevant; "I didn't want the public to know what I think!" is not any sort of excuse.

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Allowing a franchise to take way an owners business because of private statements that the franchise disagrees with is problematic.
Due to the nature of the NBA, if Sterling runs the Clippers into the ground, it affects the rest of the teams.  There is already a precedent: Ted Stepien was essentially forced to sell the Cavaliers because he was repeatedly trading away his first-round picks so he wouldn't have to pay them the higher salaries (the league actually instituted the Ted Stepien rule prohibiting teams from trading first-round picks in successive seasons).

Sterling's actions have already caused significant blowback from both players and coaches, and would almost certainly result in a significant competitive disadvantage to that team if unaddressed.  If the league office can force out Ted Stepien, why not Donald Sterling?

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For those who feel the league ought have the right to take away the franchise...would you feel the same if the following was the case:

Person buys a Chick-fil-A franchise.  Spends plenty of money developing it into thriving business.  Outwardly he pretends to be a Christian, goes to church, donates money to Operation rescue etc, has a nativity in his restaurant on xmas.    In a private conversation with his wife he mentions he is in fact an atheist and just pretends to believe in christ because it is good for business.  Unbeknownst to him his wife tape records the conversation.   Years later while going thru a messy divorce his wife releases the tape the following week Chick-fil demands that he cease operating the restaurant.
That's his own fault for opening a franchise of an openly theocratic restaurant.  I have no problem with him losing his franchisee rights, particularly since (in your example) he was falsely pretending to be religious solely for the purpose of pandering.

Ultimately, though, your hypothetical scenario is a smokescreen.  Allow me to demonstrate:  suppose the Chick-Fil-A franchisee had, as a private citizen, taken out an advertisement in the LA Times saying that giving women the vote was a mistake and that allowing their inferior intellect into the workforce caused our economic problems.  Or maybe an advertisement saying that The Jew is undermining our society and that the nations of the world should pass laws providing for their extermination.

Do you still support his right to speak his mind without losing his franchise license?
No?
Then your issue is really that you don't think what Sterling said is bad enough to warrant his expulsion.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2014, 02:10:21 pm »

He was fined $5M and suspended indefinitely. -- reported by ESPN


Update: ESPN reports 2.5M fine and lifetime ban.
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2014, 02:15:54 pm »

suspended from what?  Owning the team?  A suspension for an owner is laughable.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2014, 02:16:26 pm »

^^^ I am not sure how that is relevant.




It is relevant in the fact that I would feel more sorry for a person being stripped of their only means of income rather than a person operating multiple businesses. You asked how I would feel and this contributes to how I would feel. You said the Chick-fil-A operator could open a KFC the next day but an NBA owner is locked out of business. The truth is the Chick-fil-A operator is completely out of their revenue stream while the NBA owner is already making money on other businesses.

I also would feel more sympathetic to someone being stripped of their business for religous (or lack of religous) beliefs than I do racism. It is not an apples to apples comparison in any way and has been discussed here before I imagine.
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