New video released of Ray Rice

[masterfins]

The NFL is there to protect its brand image and the interests of its owners. 

Exactly.  IMO there is a lot of misplaced anger at the NFL.  It's not the NFL's job to protect women, nor prosecute criminals.  The NFL's only obligation is to protect their business operations.  Rice is lucky he didn't kill her, and he ought to be going to jail for what he did; but the NFL doesn't operate jails (except in Philadelphia).  Angry at the NFL for covering up the video?  How about being angry at the justice system for not releasing the video.

[Brian Fein]

Releasing the video to who?  to TMZ?  YouTube?

Its not even for us to see.  It should have been released to the police and the DA.  That's all.  Period.  Show the video in court and see how long it takes Rice to change into his orange jumpsuit.

[Rich]

How about being angry at the justice system for not releasing the video.

That is not their role.

[Dave Gray]

You don't sound like a dick but you sound off base. The investigation is not about the private matters of a married couple. The investigation is about if the NFL lied and covered up a PR nightmare. Completely different things.

That is the story TODAY, but prior to that, it was "why didn't the NFL go after the tape harder?"

If the NFL is caught lying to protect the image of an abuser, that's a different story, and I have no problem with someone getting axed.  But that's a new development as of the AP report yesterday.  Goodell's head was on the chopping block long before that.

[masterfins]

^^^ Sure it is.  The police release videos of criminal activity all the time.  Our justice system is based upon trials being held in the open, with evidence presented for public view.

[Tenshot13]

Goodell should be fired for making football two hand touch. It might not be right but if this gets him canned then don't let the door hit you on the ass.

[Phishfan]

  Goodell's head was on the chopping block long before that.

Yea, I guess. The thing is, until yesterday I didn't really think the Goodell movement, as I will call it, had much steam. I thought it just sounded like a good talking point. After the AP report it sure feels different. I'm really curious to hear how this plays out.

[Rich]

^^^ Sure it is.  The police release videos of criminal activity all the time.  Our justice system is based upon trials being held in the open, with evidence presented for public view.

Just because they do it, doesn't make it their role to do it. Alot of times they are releasing those videos because the suspects are on the run etc.

But they are not obligated to release it to the public. Sometimes releasing information to the public can taint a jury pool.

[Dave Gray]

Yea, I guess. The thing is, until yesterday I didn't really think the Goodell movement, as I will call it, had much steam. I thought it just sounded like a good talking point. After the AP report it sure feels different. I'm really curious to hear how this plays out.

I agree.  I don't know if he's lying to cover this up (although I don't see why the NFL would do that, since they're going to make big bucks regardless of whether Ray Rice plays or not.  I don't understand the rewards vs. risk).  I'm not going to speculate and that will all come out.

If it comes out that Goodell knowingly covered this up to protect Ray Rice, then I can see how he's damaged the brand beyond his repair.  But if it's just people upset that the NFL didn't do enough, his dismissal isn't warranted.

[Buddhagirl]

A very good read for those that are victim blaming and don't quite understand how domestic abuse works. http://deadspin.com/the-only-thing-unusual-about-ray-and-janay-rice-is-that-1633583402/all

[Brian Fein]

I don't think anyone here is victim blaming, aside from the victim herself...

[Buddhagirl]

I don't think anyone here is victim blaming, aside from the victim herself...

I think Dave's statement was pretty victim blaming. Spitting on someone is awful, but it doesn't warrant getting knocked out. (Also, I've watched the video and it appears that he spit on her, but who knows.) Also, assuming she married him for money and not for the numerous reasons battered women stay with their husbands is a little gross.

[Spider-Dan]

The AP saw a more complete version of the video (with audio) and said that Palmer was the one that spit on Rice, right before he punched her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/ray-rice-video_n_5789752.html

This is not "victim blaming," but an attempt to correct the facts being discussed.  It is perfectly consistent to say that Palmer spit on Rice and that Rice's actions were not justified.

[Dave Gray]

I think I'm probably on the wrong side of this issue, but I don't really understand why.  And clearly I don't understand domestic violence.

In this case, she's a victim, but not necessarily an innocent one.  If you spit in someone's face, that is pretty bad provocation.

But that's not even the point.  My main point is that if you get hit and knocked out, that's completely fucked up, and you deserve all the sympathy in the world.  But what I don't understand is why your decision to then stay with and marry that person is beyond criticism.

At some point, you're complicit in your own abuse if you allow it to continue happening.

And I get that my position seems to be indefensible, but I honestly don't know why.

[Cathal]

^^^ I'm with you and I would think most sane people would be too. Rice is totally unjustified in hitting his fiance/wife but then when she goes on and marries him, any further abuse is on both of them. She knows what he is like and still puts her in that position.