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Pappy13
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 07:36:34 pm »
Quote from: VidKid on February 19, 2015, 12:45:03 pm
This is an issue with the NFL as an organization, not just the Pats.

Multiple stories have been coming out about cheating and while I don't condone it, it's hard to put an asterisk next to every 'accomplishment' in the NFL record books. It's just easier to leave the asterisk off since everyone was cheating.

If everyone is cheating, then all is fair, right?
Not everyone is getting caught cheating. That's the difference.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 01:15:52 am »
No asterisk. Colts and Seahawks losses had nothing to do with cheating.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 06:30:25 am »
Quote from: bsmooth on February 20, 2015, 01:15:52 am
No asterisk. Colts and Seahawks losses had nothing to do with cheating.

Not the point! You are lost on the issue.

They might not have been in those games if they didn't cheat all year long. Cheating probably helped them get to that point and in those games.
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 09:38:06 am »
Quote from: Pappy13 on February 19, 2015, 07:36:34 pm
Not everyone is getting caught cheating. That's the difference.

So 'everyone' might be an overstatement, but so far articles (quickly hidden by the media coverage of the Pats) are showing instances of cheating among SF, ATL, Jags, Sea etc.. etc.. it's probably only a matter of time before more skeletons come out of the closet.

The fact that past players also know about stuff like this, and probably participated in it, only implies (albeit without definite proof) that cheating has been going on for years. And if that's true, then either an asterisk goes on the entire league, or we just call it even, clean up the system and move on.

Also, what if Boomer is on to something.... 
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/boomer-esiason-ravens-colts-embarrass-tom-brady-deflategate/254449
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 10:57:19 am »
Quote from: bsmooth on February 20, 2015, 01:15:52 am
No asterisk. Colts and Seahawks losses had nothing to do with cheating.

If they had lost to the Ravens, they wouldn't be playing the Colts or Seahawks.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 08:15:51 pm »
Quote from: MikeO on February 18, 2015, 10:19:46 am
Whether it had any effect on the outcome of the game vs the Colts is meaningless.

I agree.  I don't think it devalues the championships, but in the NFL character should count for something.  And if these reports are true, The Patriots clearly have none.

Again, though, I see a new report on this every day, so I don't know who to believe anymore
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2015, 12:25:57 pm »
Quote from: VidKid on February 20, 2015, 09:38:06 am
So 'everyone' might be an overstatement
Not might, it is.

Quote from: VidKid on February 20, 2015, 09:38:06 am
...but so far articles (quickly hidden by the media coverage of the Pats) are showing instances of cheating among SF, ATL, Jags, Sea etc.. etc.. it's probably only a matter of time before more skeletons come out of the closet.
And when they do, they should be punished right along with the Pats.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2015, 02:39:59 pm »
I just think it is interesting that the NFL identifies one form of cheating (i.e. using unfair methods to gain a competitive advantage over an opponent) as its #1 issue (performance enhancing drugs), and completely overlooks another form of cheating (this scandal).
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2015, 04:17:25 pm »
Quote from: Rich on February 20, 2015, 10:57:19 am
If they had lost to the Ravens, they wouldn't be playing the Colts or Seahawks.  Roll Eyes

No proof of cheating against the Ravens.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2015, 09:51:09 am »
Quote from: bsmooth on February 26, 2015, 04:17:25 pm
No proof of cheating against the Ravens.

The Ravens were the team that alerted the Colts of the issue. And it is safe to assume that this wasn't a one time incident by a team that has a long history of cheating.

Might want to get all of the information out there before chiming in.
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2015, 11:11:06 am »
No, they were not.  The Colts noticed the issue in the first game against the Patriots (in the regular season).
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2015, 11:15:24 am »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on February 27, 2015, 11:11:06 am
No, they were not.  The Colts noticed the issue in the first game against the Patriots (in the regular season).

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/deflategate-baltimore-ravens-indianapolis-colts-deflated-footballs-012115
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2015, 12:49:17 pm »
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-colts-had-inflation-concerns-in-november-matchup-with-patriots/

Might want to get all of the information out there before chiming in.
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2015, 05:09:28 pm »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on February 27, 2015, 12:49:17 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-colts-had-inflation-concerns-in-november-matchup-with-patriots/

Might want to get all of the information out there before chiming in.

Did not take to the officials, took it to the Colts staff. After examing the balls themselves, they then brought it up to the officials. There is a chain of evidence issue here.
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2015, 09:05:34 am »
Not really, since the NE balls that never came into IND's possession were also underinflated.
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