Saban stories from his time in Miami

[MikeO]

http://deadspin.com/im-a-grown-ass-man-how-miami-trolled-the-hell-out-o-1723879297

Some of these stories are hilarious. Also can understand why Saban didn't like the NFL-lifestyle and why he ran back to college

[EDGECRUSHER]

He can't relate to other humans, he needs to be a dictator and have total control. Otherwise, nothing gets done.

He is great at bossing kids around and recruiting, can't take that away from him.

[BuccaneerBrad]

He can't relate to other humans, he needs to be a dictator and have total control. Otherwise, nothing gets done.

He is great at bossing kids around and recruiting, can't take that away from him.

But "grown ass men" who make millions won't listen to his bullshit.

[CF DolFan]

There's a reason there is a chain of command in the military and in business. No successful model works without subordinates giving respect. Although I knew some of the other stories I really hated to read that about Thomas. When did NFL players become princesses? 

[MikeO]

the best Saban story from his time in Miami was he sent out a memo to the staff that none of the office secretary's or office personal in general were to make eye contact with him or speak with him if they saw him in the hallways or walking by....lol. Talk about a lunatic!

[Spider-Dan]

There's a reason there is a chain of command in the military and in business. No successful model works without subordinates giving respect.

In the military, disobeying a direct command has extremely serious consequences, ranging from prison to being killed on the spot.  Let's not compare this to mouthy employees with negotiated contractual perks.

[Sunstroke]

In the military, disobeying a direct command has extremely serious consequences, ranging from prison to being killed on the spot. 

Could you please provide an example of a direct order where disobeying is punishable by being killed on the spot? I've read the UCMJ more than a few (hundred) times, and I think I may have missed that one.

[Spider-Dan]

Article 90 says:

Any person subject to this chapter who–

    (1) strikes his superior commissioned officer or draws or lifts up any weapon or offers any violence against him while he is in the execution of his officer; or

    (2) willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer;

shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, and if the offense is committed at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.

Article 24 says:

(a) Summary courts-martial may be convened by–

    (1) any person who may convene a general or special court-martial;

    (2) the commanding officer of a detached company other detachment of the Army;

    (3) the commanding officer of a detached squadron or other detachment of the Air Force; or

    (4) the commanding officer or officer in charge of any other command when empowered by the Secretary concerned.

(b) When only one commissioned officer is present with a command or detachment he shall be the summary court-martial of that command or detachment and shall hear and determine all summary court-martial cases brought before him. Summary courts-martial may, however, be convened in any case by superior competent authority when considered desirable by him.

As I read those two statutes, if you are the commanding officer of a detached company or squadron in time of war and a subordinate willfully disobeys a lawful command, it is within your power to convene a summary court-martial (with yourself as the "judge") and immediately sentence that subordinate to death.  I believe MaineDolfan is a former MP, so I will certainly defer to him if he says otherwise.

While these statutes exist in the UCMJ, none of the historical examples I can find of summary execution for willfully disobeying an order have happened in the U.S. military, so (at least for the U.S.) this would be more of a technical worst-case possibility; the more likely outcome would be far less severe.  But it does appear to be on the books, and it has happened in other militaries that also have a strict chain-of-command (which was the important feature being cited).

[CF DolFan]

In the military, disobeying a direct command has extremely serious consequences, ranging from prison to being killed on the spot.  Let's not compare this to mouthy employees with negotiated contractual perks.

Seriously ... do you have any friends? You argue the dumbest crap just so you can speak. Don't add anything to the conversation but have to find something to completely exaggerate just so you can say something. I can't imagine that translating in the real world to well.

[Spider-Dan]

You're right, CF.  The sport of football is a great comparison to the military.

Just ask Kellen Winslow.

[CF DolFan]

You're right, CF.  The sport of football is a great comparison to the military.

Just ask Kellen Winslow.

I guess you forgot to mention that I was saying Don Shula and Donald Trump are the same because I mentioned the chain of leadership in business and compared it to football. How could I disrespect Shula like that? I freaking suck.

[Spider-Dan]

I actually don't have a problem with comparing the hierarchy of a business (the NFL) to that of another business.  In this case, the business in question is staffed by extremely skilled unionized employees with contractually negotiated perks, and no matter how strong the "chain of command" is, you cannot ignore their contracts.

It is only your ridiculous comparison of football to the military that I took issue with.  Being employed by the Miami Dolphins has very little in common with being in the military.

[CF DolFan]

I actually don't have a problem with comparing the hierarchy of a business (the NFL) to that of another business. 

Well good ... just as long as you don't have a problem then we are all good.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Now he is implying that his departure was due to the dolphins refusing to let him sign Brees

[MikeO]

Now he is implying that his departure was due to the dolphins refusing to let him sign Brees

what a lying sack of shit. He has changed his story so many times he should be a politician