Shame of the Game at Bills

[ArtieChokePhin]

Mike Pouncey.  Couldn't block a butterfly today and gives away another safety.  Both giveaways were momentum changers

[dolphins4life]

The refs

Also, the secondary.

[Tenshot13]

Grimes.  He was getting beat by Watkins all day.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The refs

Also, the secondary.

have the dolphins ever lost a game you didn't blame on the refs?

[dolphins4life]

have the dolphins ever lost a game you didn't blame on the refs?

You can answer that question by looking at the shame of the game threads from the last few years. 

[Dave Gray]

Grimes.  He got abused and that TD over the top really put the game away.

[Phishfan]

Grimes looked terrible.

[Thundergod]

Grimes got absolutely lit up

[fyo]

have the dolphins ever lost a game you didn't blame on the refs?

In all fairness to dolphins4life, the refs were spectacularly bad. The talking heads were worse, though.

I don't know if you saw the game, but the refs gifted the Bills two touchdowns. The should-have-been-a fumble through the endzone looked good until they showed the very last camera angle (well after the review was done). Maybe the refs didn't get that angle (local TV maybe?), but it very clearly showed that the ball came out a whole half step before the other camera angle showed the ball crossing the plane of the goal line (you can see the stride clearly in both, so going back and looking where the ball came out is trivial). And then there was a fourth down throw where Suh was being held like crazy right in front of the ref. Not just the typical well-there's-always-holding no-call, but a huge, blatant, in-your-face holding.

[Phishfan]

^^^ The officials can see every angle that is shown on TV.

[Rich]

In all fairness to dolphins4life, the refs were spectacularly bad. The talking heads were worse, though.

I don't know if you saw the game, but the refs gifted the Bills two touchdowns. The should-have-been-a fumble through the endzone looked good until they showed the very last camera angle (well after the review was done). Maybe the refs didn't get that angle (local TV maybe?), but it very clearly showed that the ball came out a whole half step before the other camera angle showed the ball crossing the plane of the goal line (you can see the stride clearly in both, so going back and looking where the ball came out is trivial). And then there was a fourth down throw where Suh was being held like crazy right in front of the ref. Not just the typical well-there's-always-holding no-call, but a huge, blatant, in-your-face holding.

Correct, the touchdown should have been a fumble out of the back of the end zone and Miami ball at the 20. The last angle, as you said, showed that he was changing hands and losing control in the process. It should only be a touchdown if he demonstrates control throughout the play and when you are changing hands you're not fully in control of the ball and once the play finishes if the ball is no longer in your hand, clearly you did not have control.

That along with the blatant hold on Suh did gift the Bills two touchdowns. And the Bills won by two scores.

[dolphins4life]

In all fairness to dolphins4life, the refs were spectacularly bad. The talking heads were worse, though.

I don't know if you saw the game, but the refs gifted the Bills two touchdowns. The should-have-been-a fumble through the endzone looked good until they showed the very last camera angle (well after the review was done). Maybe the refs didn't get that angle (local TV maybe?), but it very clearly showed that the ball came out a whole half step before the other camera angle showed the ball crossing the plane of the goal line (you can see the stride clearly in both, so going back and looking where the ball came out is trivial). And then there was a fourth down throw where Suh was being held like crazy right in front of the ref. Not just the typical well-there's-always-holding no-call, but a huge, blatant, in-your-face holding.

And before that Suh had Taylor in his grasp, and he did not throw him to the ground because he did not want a penalty.  The refs failed to call in the grasp on that play.