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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2017, 04:29:39 pm »

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Aguayo ended up with the worst FG percentage in the league.   He was so bad that the Bucs brought in Nick Folk offor the street to compete with him.   First date of OTAs at One Buc Place, Folk goes 4/4 and Aguayo 1/4
I can actually hear your boys blaring Crazy Train during OTA's right now.  I work across the street from One Buc Place.
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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2017, 04:41:15 pm »


How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2017, 05:03:23 pm »

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?



The footballs are a different size/weight.  While most of the time skills are very transferable it is possible his foot is perfectly aligned with a college ball and not the NFL one. 
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2017, 05:12:53 pm »

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?



He took a pay cut when he went pro and lost motivation...lol
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2017, 05:32:08 pm »

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?


Kicking is mental. It's hard to get back once your head is telling you that you will fail. MLB pitchers go through the same thing ... just like Steve Blass, Rick Ankiel, Daniel Bard, Dontrelle Willis, and Mark Wohlers. Wohlers got to the point he was throwing a wild pitch almost once a batter. It was crazy and sad.


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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2017, 06:45:10 pm »

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?

He had an above average career outside of his first season.  And his first season was one where he had very little pressure/expectations because of who was on that team and what they accomplished
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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2017, 07:25:07 pm »

Kicking is mental.


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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2017, 01:29:12 pm »

Kicking is mental. It's hard to get back once your head is telling you that you will fail. MLB pitchers go through the same thing ... just like Steve Blass, Rick Ankiel, Daniel Bard, Dontrelle Willis, and Mark Wohlers. Wohlers got to the point he was throwing a wild pitch almost once a batter. It was crazy and sad.




It is very mental.

I can vouch from experience
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2017, 04:17:44 pm »

It is very mental.

I can vouch from experience

Experience kicking, or experience being mental?


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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2017, 12:27:00 pm »

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?

Last night, he made his first field goal, then missed a PAT, then missed a long field goal at the end of the game.   Five minutes ago, the Bucs announced they will be cutting him loose.   The fallout at One Buc Place is going to be tremendous
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2017, 01:20:20 pm »

Last night, he made his first field goal, then missed a PAT, then missed a long field goal at the end of the game.   Five minutes ago, the Bucs announced they will be cutting him loose.   The fallout at One Buc Place is going to be tremendous

Three possible reasons:

1. It is a different football.  The pro football is larger. 

2. You have less time in the NFL.

While the skill set is extremely similar the kicking of a college ball and NFL ball has some slight differences.

3. He may have had perfect chemistry with the long snapper and holder in college that has failed to materialize.  If I was the GM I would try to get both those guys if they are UDFA and see if that fixed the problem.
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2017, 02:30:19 pm »

You would take up a roster spot to sign a holder? I wish the Patriots would bring you in to help with their roster.
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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2017, 03:10:36 pm »

You would take up a roster spot to sign a holder? I wish the Patriots would bring you in to help with their roster.

If that would convert a horrible kicker into the leagues best then yes.  Certainly would use one of my 80 spots for 3 days to find out
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2017, 06:21:04 am »

The footballs are a different size/weight.  While most of the time skills are very transferable it is possible his foot is perfectly aligned with a college ball and not the NFL one. 

NCAA and NFL rules on football dimensions are very similar, although the college rules allow a little more variation. In terms of weight and pressure, the rules are identical (14 to 15 oz, 12.5 to 13.5 psi). In terms of dimensions, NCAA rules allow for greater variations, with both shorter and longer balls allowed (10 7/8" - 11 7/16, compared to 11" - 11 1/4" in the NFL). Finally, while both NCAA and NFL balls have the same maximum for the "fatness" of the ball, the NCAA rules allow for slightly skinnier balls. (Note that rules governing the long circumference mean that a college ball can't be BOTH long and fat... the maximum here is the same as in the NFL.)

In practice, of course, there is only one NFL football. The Duke. Also sometimes referred to as a 1001 pattern football.

In the NCAA, each school decides what football they want to play with, so there is quite a variety. The standard college ball for years was the F1005 pattern Wilson. This was designed to the smallest legal specs. These days, the vast majority of major football colleges use Nike footballs, with Adidas being almost as popular as Wilson. The Nike Vapor One footballs have identical dimensions  to F1005 pattern Wilsons, but I don't know about the Adidas balls (or Western Kentucky's Spalding ball).

So what did Aguayo kick with? Well, FSU uses a Nike ball, but at some point they switched model to a Vapor Elite. I've never seen one in person and wasn't able to find the dimensions online, so I don't know how it differs from the Vapor One.
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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2017, 08:52:35 am »


^^^ [Smacks the "Like" button with great vim and great vigor]

Gotta dig any post where I learn something new about something I already thought I knew a good bit about... Wink


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