It's official: Hillary vs. Trump

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I'm just a little over sensitive to the whole "hero" type things these days.  We use words like that so much they have lost their value.

I don't think many people voting for Trump are doing it for him. They are doing it because they feel alternative is worse. I know Stroke pointed out being president is dealing wiht people but it's not the same. Trump is a businessman and a very successful one. Before someone throws in his bankruptcies how about the 100s of times he didn't file bankruptcy and those businesses are booming? Trump likes to talk trash n the street but face to face he is fair and deals accordingly. That's what everyone says that deals with him so that's what I'm counting on.

Like I mentioned previously ... I'm a big Rubio fan but he lost. In my opinion I can't let that affect the Supreme Court nominees so unless I actually did buy into the fact that I think he would destroy the country I could never vote for a criminal like Hillary. It isn't like he can make it any more divisive than it has gotten in recent years.

Rubio was at my work last week doing a press conference.

How is it that Hillary gets a pass on the Benghazi and email thing?  Blatant neglect.  That's what we want in a president?  And that's better than a guy that says meansie things?

[Spider-Dan]

How is it that Hillary gets a pass on the Benghazi and email thing?

Speaking only for myself:

1) Hillary isn't even the proper target for Benghazi complaints, as she does not deploy military assets in the case of an attack; the proper target would be Obama (the commander-in-chief), but he's not up for re-election, so obviously there's no interest in investigating him.  More importantly, any investigation is a nakedly-political farce; during the Bush Administration, there were 13 attacks on U.S. embassies, resulting in over 60 deaths and not one of them resulted in an investigation of Administration officials.

2) Hillary's two immediate predecessors, Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice, both used private e-mail accounts when in office.  The difference is that while Hillary had her own e-mail server with her own system administrator, Powell and Rice were using third-party e-mail accounts... which means that any number of system administrators for those (unvetted, private) third-party companies would have had access to Powell or Rice's e-mail accounts.

In both cases, events which occurred and were considered ordinary and unremarkable during the Bush Administration suddenly became high crimes when Hillary was involved, worthy of investigation at the very highest levels.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Just remember....Politics comes to from to ancient Greek words:

Poli = many
tics = small blood sucking disease carrying vermin.

[Fau Teixeira]

I find the whole email "scandal" thing to be a fox news scandal. As in it's in their political interest to keep it going so they blow it up.

I think at worst, her email decision precludes Hillary from ever taking a job as a CTO. Other than that .. kinda meh about the whole thing.

As far as Trump being a good businessman, i wouldn't bring up his many bankruptcies .. even though they are relevant to a business man claim. I'd bring up the small businesses he stiffed and the people he conned into trump University.

[Sunstroke]

...so unless I actually did buy into the fact that I think he would destroy the country I could never vote for a criminal like Hillary. It isn't like he can make it any more divisive than it has gotten in recent years.

Sure he could...please point your time machine to South Africa in the 70's.

If it wasn't for the fact that I live here too, I'd almost wish that you could see what sort of insanity Trump would bring to the oval office. Any time I hear Trump speak, I wonder if the people supporting him are even listening to the stream of ridiculous shit pouring out of his pie hole? If they are, how can they not realize what a complete con man this guy is?

[mecadonzilla]

How is it that Hillary gets a pass on the Benghazi and email thing? 

Republicans did 30 or 40 hearings/investigations into Benghazi and couldn't pin anything on anyone.  It's time to let that dead horse go and stop kicking it.

[CF DolFan]

Sure he could...please point your time machine to South Africa in the 70's.

If it wasn't for the fact that I live here too, I'd almost wish that you could see what sort of insanity Trump would bring to the oval office. Any time I hear Trump speak, I wonder if the people supporting him are even listening to the stream of ridiculous shit pouring out of his pie hole? If they are, how can they not realize what a complete con man this guy is?

The same can be said for Hillary supporters. This is just one of the many things that point out how dishonest and underhanded she is.  https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI How can anyone ignore these things other than extreme confirmation bias?

as well ... I'm not sure how you can support someone who gets takes money from countries that want us destroyed.

[Spider-Dan]

CF, it's actually really simple.  Hillary is as dishonest, underhanded, and corrupt as her husband: a man that had a pretty successful two-term Presidency and left office with a 66% approval rating.  And during his time in office, Republicans tried to investigate him for everything under the sun, and ultimately decided to impeach him because he lied about getting a blowjob.

After a quarter-century of the right constantly screaming "Wolf!  There's a wolf RIGHT OVER THERE!" in our ears, it's difficult to believe the impending doom of the nearby wolf.  The GOP has consistently tried to use investigations to achieve what they can't accomplish in elections against the Clintons; the only reason we even know about the e-mails in the first place is because of the completely unrelated Benghazi investigation... in which multiple GOP committees have determined no actionable wrongdoing on Hillary's part.

And you know, it doesn't exactly help that you all have been screaming the same thing about the current President, too.  If seemingly every Democrat is a wildly corrupt despot that's trying to destroy the republic, why is Hillary any worse than the many other Democratic Presidents we've had?

Trump is not Romney or McCain or even GWB.  He's not even close.  It is ridiculous for anyone to pretend that this is just another Democrat vs. Republican election, or that Hillary is just as bad as Trump.  Hillary is a standard politician, no less terrible than her husband; Trump is a total effing maniac that wants to ban an entire religion from this country and encourages his supporters to assault protesters.

[CF DolFan]

Hillary is much worse than Bill was or at least what we thought about Bill at the time. I voted for her against Obama because at the time I was thinking at least it will be another extension of Clinton. Her politics are no where near where Bill was.  As far as as a person she's no better than Trump so you have to pick your politics IMO. 

[Sunstroke]

As far as as a person she's no better than Trump so you have to pick your politics IMO. 

If you're actually picking Trump based on all of the comically psychopathic shit he's said in this campaign, then your politics are absolutely terrifying to me. I can overlook the religious right position you're entrenched in, because if someone wants to believe in some all-powerful-but-completely-unverifiable deity, then more power to ya...but to seriously want someone like Trump in charge of this country? It defies reason.

[CF DolFan]

If you're actually picking Trump based on all of the comically psychopathic shit he's said in this campaign, then your politics are absolutely terrifying to me.

There-in lies the difference as I'm not basing it on his current political trash talking. I'm really giving him the benefit of the doubt and basing it on how he's run his businesses and dealt with people in the past. He was loved by most people not named Rosie before he ran Republican.  I hope his trash talking ends sooner rather than later. 

[Dave Gray]

This is just anecdotal, but Trump stiffed a member of my family for iron-work performed for him.  Just refused to pay for it.  Short of suing Trump, the family member really couldn't do anything about it.  We haven't had a very high opinion of him before this, but that's just my family.

[Spider-Dan]

Hillary is much worse than Bill was or at least what we thought about Bill at the time.

In what specific ways is she worse than Bill?

I mean, she's more liberal than he was, but that isn't an argument for corruption or dishonesty, just that you don't agree with her policy priorities.  As I am sure you remember, Bill lied under oath in court.  So how is Hillary "much worse" than Bill?

[Phishfan]

He was loved by most people not named Rosie before he ran Republican.  I hope his trash talking ends sooner rather than later. 

I have always thought he was a buffoon and think you have a really long wait on that. This has always been his personality and any change would just be posturing for the campaign.

[CF DolFan]

I have always thought he was a buffoon and think you have a really long wait on that. This has always been his personality and any change would just be posturing for the campaign.

Yes me too but I can't stand most of Hollywood. Regardless of how I felt about him the truth is generally people liked him. Those around him and those that watched his show and bought his books etc. I can't stand Kanye West but obviously a lot of people do including people I do have general respect for. So I just can't say most dislike him just because I do.