Nazis and the upper limit of free speech

[pondwater]

Charles Barkley is an industrial-strength asshole, and has been since long before anyone started talking about statues. He's on TV now that his playing career is over for one reason...He's obnoxious and gets people riled up.

Yeah, just like all the other black people that speak truths about the hypocrisy of the black community and shine a spotlight on the real issues that face black people. These days if you say anything derogatory about a black person you are labeled a racist. And if it is a black person saying it. Well then they have to be an Uncle Tom or and industrial strength asshole. Keep living in your little bubble. It's everyone else's fault, black people are perfect and bear no responsibility for their own outcomes in life.

[Sunstroke]

These days if you say anything derogatory about a black person you are labeled a racist.

I don't think you should worry about being labelled a racist. I think you should worry about actually being a racist. Fuck the labels...it's your belief system that has passed its expiration date.

[pondwater]

I don't think you should worry about being labelled a racist. I think you should worry about actually being a racist. Fuck the labels...it's your belief system that has passed its expiration date.

I was referring to other famous black people that say the same type things that Barkley said, then get attacked by their own people for not having the same mob mentality.

And If you're talking about me personally. A racist is a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. I can assure you that I don't think that I am superior to any group of people. In fact there are millions upon millions of black people that are very much superior to me in many ways. Kind of blows your silly theory out of the water. Anyhow, I could care less what you think of me. Like I said before, you're a nobody.

[Tenshot13]

^   *couldn't care less

...back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[CF DolFan]

That has to be the most White person living in their their little subdivision answer I hear CONSTANTLY,from white people (and most of the area I live) It's not in my backyard,I don't see it, it's not a problem,or it's not that big of a deal.....and it's complete and udder fucking Bullshit....Sorry but that just doesn't fly....

I get it from both sides on a regular basis,the Black guy's around me,and the skin heads,redneck guy's with stars and bars tattoos,flags,and stickers.Luckily, I don't have to deal with both sides at work anymore, just the rich white people at work, that keep spouting,what is the fuss? This isn't that big of a deal....

That's BS Lil B and quite honestly not sue what you are talking about. You are attributing a whole nation to a few people who get news coverage or to your little world (by your own admission you never go anywhere). The fact remains ... black, white, brown and red have a minority of people that are asshats but most people never come across very many.  I spent years in therapy and many more through experience learning that lesson as I didn't trust a single f'ing person in this world... but that's another story. I grew up basically in the projects and I now have multimillionaire friends that have never met a poor person.  In the end I find that most people are generally good and that those that aren't are few and of no need to be bothered.

[DaLittle B]

You said...responding to my opinion....

While I'm sure some areas are worst than others ... I honestly haven't found that to be my experience.

So then You went into knowing people,to justify your experience...

I work with lots of good ole boys who would just assume smack a skin head as they would ISIS. It's become normal to see guys who live in Winter Garden (a town that that used to have a sign that said "Don't let the sun set on your black ass" as the 70s) calling people out. I think the biggest issue now is that you have new hate groups coming out and it brings out the vocal minority of the opposite. There's a lot of great people in between those two extremes and where the majority of society falls.

Obama could never have been easily elected, twice even, if the country were as racist as the news would have you believe. 

Then spit it out this Completely Bullshit Fox news type quote.

My response is you're saying EXACTLY What I hear from white people CONSTANTLY,Minimizing Racism,Neo Nazi groups as fringe issues,because you don't see it....It's a completely udder bullshit answer...

That's BS Lil B and quite honestly not sue what you are talking about. You are attributing a whole nation to a few people who get news coverage or to your little world (by your own admission you never go anywhere).

I just explained what I was talking about above,Sorry you can't see it.NOPE not attributing it to a few people,I've stated here for years that this area is ripe with racism,and Neo Nazi hate groups are prolific here.(the link to the article was no surprise to me)

The fact remains ... black, white, brown and red have a minority of people that are asshats but most people never come across very many.  I spent years in therapy and many more through experience learning that lesson as I didn't trust a single f'ing person in this world... but that's another story.

You're missing the point,and completely negating racism is a problem,Neo Nazi hate groups, hate ALL BLACK people, just because the color of their skin.Not the few "asshats",Most of these hate groups believe Blacks are 2nd class citizens, lesser human beings (or animals),should be sent back to Africa,or Killed...

While I'm sorry to hear about your therapy,and not sure what it has to do with this...

I grew up basically in the projects and I now have multimillionaire friends that have never met a poor person.  In the end I find that most people are generally good and that those that aren't are few and of no need to be bothered.

Again not sure what knowing Multi millionaires that haven't met a poor person,has to do with racism,and then you trivialize the racism is a problem...

I see racist almost daily,as I mentioned, flying the stars and bars,and making N---r comments.Since the Colossal asshat,got elected, I've heard at least once a week.Someone in public comment...(along the lines of,but always including the N word) "Well at least we got that "N" out of the white house..." That's coming from someone ..Yeah that doesn't get out much.I'm a homebody...

I'm done,saying the shit I see...Most of what I said will fall on deaf ears,and I'm a nobody living in plowed ground...

[Spider-Dan]

I get it. He's an Uncle Tom marching to the beat of white people because Chuck is all about appeasing people.

The only black celebrity you are endorsing to run for office is one who prominently likes to criticize other black people.  But maybe that's a coincidence; maybe you like Barkley's stated positions on taxation, or foreign policy, or environmental regulation... something other than the fact that he's willing to bash other blacks.  You tell me.

A racist is a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. I can assure you that I don't think that I am superior to any group of people.

There are lots of people who believe that "racists" hate LITERALLY EVERY person of color.  This is why “some of my best friends are black” is such a common defense: if I have a black friend, then I can’t be racist because racists hate ALL black people!

So it’s OK for me to insist that ICE just needs to go door-to-door in the Hispanic part of town and start rounding people up, because my cousin is married to an Asian dude and he’s a good guy.  Also, I think Zoe Saldana is hot!  Therefore, I can’t be a racist, and I’m just speaking common sense that’s politically incorrect, but Everyone Knows it’s true.

One of the main reasons behind this kind of all-or-nothing stance is that the last 40 years have thoroughly ingrained in American society that racists are Bad People. Even the racists accept it! So guys like this think, “I’m not a bad person, therefore I’m not a racist.” For god’s sake, even Richard Spencer doesn’t think of himself as a “racist.”

Racism is not a binary condition where either you believe that The White Man should rule over all other races in global apartheid, or you live a life free of bias.  It is entirely possible to have compartmentalized racist positions... for example, the belief that black people are genetically predispositioned to be less intelligent than white people.

Obama could never have been easily elected, twice even, if the country were as racist as the news would have you believe.

Yeah, this myth about November 4, 2008 "proving" that racism is dead in America was pretty conclusively refuted by the results of November 8, 2016.

[Phishfan]

I think we are getting closer to something now. Racists and being a neo-nazi aren't necessarily the same but they are kissing cousins (does that reference play across the country?). I can't tell you how often I hear the N word from people in casual conversation. Those same people can then come back and talk about how they have a black friend. In a crowd I expect they would be joining those protesters but when called out in smaller groups they make some excuse about being raised by "old timers" or having done time in prison (which I know a few who have). Ultimately they acknowledge they should not think that way (but often make the same comment again only to admit the mistake when called out again). Repetition is the only way to alter this way of thinking and behavior.

A small amount of racism can almost be intrinsic (and this cuts both ways) because we have not gotten over the wounds of our past. I'm a strange bird I guess, a self-described pacifist that sleeps with a gun beside his head. I just don't see aggression benefiting either side though. The only thing that is going to accomplish is to empower the vigilant on the other side. Intelligent conversation is the only way to overcome ignorance. That doesn't mean anyone should cower and it doesn't mean things should be ignored. Confrontation has to happen but if the confronter does not act intelligently, they are just fueling a fire and are ignorant themselves.

It is not a fast process and usually takes multiple efforts but ultimately it is the only path to enlightenment. Don't back down and call out the wrongs but whoever shows aggressive behavior first will not be considered the winner of a disagreement (and their hate speech is not enough to be considered the aggressor).

[pondwater]

There are lots of people who believe that "racists" hate LITERALLY EVERY person of color.  This is why “some of my best friends are black” is such a common defense: if I have a black friend, then I can’t be racist because racists hate ALL black people!

So it’s OK for me to insist that ICE just needs to go door-to-door in the Hispanic part of town and start rounding people up, because my cousin is married to an Asian dude and he’s a good guy.  Also, I think Zoe Saldana is hot!  Therefore, I can’t be a racist, and I’m just speaking common sense that’s politically incorrect, but Everyone Knows it’s true.

One of the main reasons behind this kind of all-or-nothing stance is that the last 40 years have thoroughly ingrained in American society that racists are Bad People. Even the racists accept it! So guys like this think, “I’m not a bad person, therefore I’m not a racist.” For god’s sake, even Richard Spencer doesn’t think of himself as a “racist.”

Racism is not a binary condition where either you believe that The White Man should rule over all other races in global apartheid, or you live a life free of bias.  It is entirely possible to have compartmentalized racist positions... for example, the belief that black people are genetically predispositioned to be less intelligent than white people.

I don't even know what you just said. I suspect that it's another attempt to deflect. Hell, most people don't try to argue the definition of a word.

adjective
1.
showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.

Yeah, this myth about November 4, 2008 "proving" that racism is dead in America was pretty conclusively refuted by the results of November 8, 2016.

How was it refuted? Because your candidate didn't win? Somehow I feel that if any other Republican candidate would have won that we would be having the exact same conversation.

[pondwater]

I think we are getting closer to something now. Racists and being a neo-nazi aren't necessarily the same but they are kissing cousins (does that reference play across the country?). I can't tell you how often I hear the N word from people in casual conversation. Those same people can then come back and talk about how they have a black friend. In a crowd I expect they would be joining those protesters but when called out in smaller groups they make some excuse about being raised by "old timers" or having done time in prison (which I know a few who have). Ultimately they acknowledge they should not think that way (but often make the same comment again only to admit the mistake when called out again). Repetition is the only way to alter this way of thinking and behavior.

A small amount of racism can almost be intrinsic (and this cuts both ways) because we have not gotten over the wounds of our past. I'm a strange bird I guess, a self-described pacifist that sleeps with a gun beside his head. I just don't see aggression benefiting either side though. The only thing that is going to accomplish is to empower the vigilant on the other side. Intelligent conversation is the only way to overcome ignorance. That doesn't mean anyone should cower and it doesn't mean things should be ignored. Confrontation has to happen but if the confronter does not act intelligently, they are just fueling a fire and are ignorant themselves.

It is not a fast process and usually takes multiple efforts but ultimately it is the only path to enlightenment. Don't back down and call out the wrongs but whoever shows aggressive behavior first will not be considered the winner of a disagreement (and their hate speech is not enough to be considered the aggressor).

^^^I agree with this. My philosophy is that you don't put your hands on someone in a threatening manner regardless of what they say. Basically, you can say anything you want to me, but don't put your hands on me or everyone is going to have a bad day. It's usually from the emotional type people rather than the logical type people, but I've seen it from both types and from both sides.

[Dolphster]

I can't even wrap my brain around the concept of this being 2017 and society still even has race issues.  I guess nothing should surprise me in a world where some places in the middle east still legally execute people for adultery, homosexuality, etc.  I just can't get how a world that is so advanced in technology, etc. is still filled with archaic thinking. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

How was it refuted? Because your candidate didn't win? Somehow I feel that if any other Republican candidate would have won that we would be having the exact same conversation.

Bullshit.  No other Republican candidate ran on a platform of building a wall with Mexico.  No other Republican candidate claimed being of Mexican descent disqualifies a judge, no other Republican candidate called for a ban on Muslim immigration, no other Republican candidate was sued by the justices department by refusing to rent to minorities.  While in general party is more likely to support racist and anti minority policies than the dems.  Trump is a blatant racist that is more inline with David Duke than John McCain or Paul Ryan.

[Spider-Dan]

How was it refuted? Because your candidate didn't win? Somehow I feel that if any other Republican candidate would have won that we would be having the exact same conversation.

Democrats got destroyed in 2010 and 2014, yet I didn't point at those two elections.  And Obama wasn't even on the ballot in 2016.

It was refuted because a candidate that regularly took racist positions - one of which was described by the Speaker of the House of his own party as "the textbook definition of a racist statement" - won the presidency.  Trump encouraged white supremacists and continues to do so to this day.

Romney is a soulless corporate plutocrat who would happily take the last dollar away from poor people just to make sure that the 0.001% has the biggest tax cut possible.  McCain is a preening media vampire who never saw a war he didn't like and picked the most unfit VP candidate in recent memory because he thought that would put him over the top.  Either of them are practically George Washington compared to Trump.

[pondwater]

Democrats got destroyed in 2010 and 2014, yet I didn't point at those two elections.  And Obama wasn't even on the ballot in 2016.

It was refuted because a candidate that regularly took racist positions - one of which was described by the Speaker of the House of his own party as "the textbook definition of a racist statement" - won the presidency.  Trump encouraged white supremacists and continues to do so to this day.

Romney is a soulless corporate plutocrat who would happily take the last dollar away from poor people just to make sure that the 0.001% has the biggest tax cut possible.  McCain is a preening media vampire who never saw a war he didn't like and picked the most unfit VP candidate in recent memory because he thought that would put him over the top.  Either of them are practically George Washington compared to Trump.

Democrats got destroyed in 2010 and 2014, yet I didn't point at those two elections.  And Obama wasn't even on the ballot in 2016.

It was refuted because a candidate that regularly took racist positions - one of which was described by the Speaker of the House of his own party as "the textbook definition of a racist statement" - won the presidency.  Trump encouraged white supremacists and continues to do so to this day.

Romney is a soulless corporate plutocrat who would happily take the last dollar away from poor people just to make sure that the 0.001% has the biggest tax cut possible.  McCain is a preening media vampire who never saw a war he didn't like and picked the most unfit VP candidate in recent memory because he thought that would put him over the top.  Either of them are practically George Washington compared to Trump.

Bush didn't respond to Katrina fast enough and it was because he "hated black people". Then you have the  conspiracy theories about Reagan inventing crack and AIDS to wipe out the black population. If you're a Republican president, you will be labeled a racist no matter what you do.

Even when Obama was in office, people couldn't genuinely been opposed to his policies. The left either implied or directly said that people on the right who opposed Obama was because, "they hate black people". It's the same tired old game the liberals always play. Everyone who disagrees with them is a racist.

[Spider-Dan]

The left either implied or directly said that people on the right who opposed Obama was because, "they hate black people". It's the same tired old game the liberals always play. Everyone who disagrees with them is a racist.

Paul Ryan, Republican Speaker of the House, said that Trump's statement was “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Is Paul Ryan a liberal?  Is he part of the left?