Nazis and the upper limit of free speech

[pondwater]

Paul Ryan, Republican Speaker of the House, said that Trump's statement was “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Is Paul Ryan a liberal?  Is he part of the left?

Isn't it amazing what people will say when the mob mentality kicks in? So Paul Ryan labeled someone a racist and then voted for them? Says more about Ryan that it does about Trump.

[CF DolFan]

I can't even wrap my brain around the concept of this being 2017 and society still even has race issues.  I guess nothing should surprise me in a world where some places in the middle east still legally execute people for adultery, homosexuality, etc.  I just can't get how a world that is so advanced in technology, etc. is still filled with archaic thinking. 

Just because media says its racist doesn't mean it is. The Kaepernick situation is a perfect example. Finally some black leaders are calling it what it is. People like Jim Brown, the Bills' LeSean McCoy and others are starting to speak out. The list of Uncle Toms is growing by the day. 

[Dolphster]

Just because media says its racist doesn't mean it is. 

I don't disagree with that part of your statement.  But I didn't refer to the media anywhere in my post and I wasn't talking about the media. I was talking about racism and general prejudice in society.  And that includes "reverse racism" or whatever the trendy term du jour is today.  The media definitely race baits, but that doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist.  Sorry if I'm getting away from the original intent of the subject of the thread. 

[Spider-Dan]

Isn't it amazing what people will say when the mob mentality kicks in? So Paul Ryan labeled someone a racist and then voted for them? Says more about Ryan that it does about Trump.

It says that racism is not particularly high on Paul Ryan's list of voting issues.  I imagine he shares that attribute with many Trump voters.

However, what this really boils down to is that when an elected leader of the same party says "That's a textbook racist comment," you are still unwilling to accept it as racism.  So I doubt it would ever be possible to convince you of Trump's racism; when leaders of your own party don't meet your standard for burden of proof, that standard isn't going to be met by anything short of Trump shooting someone on 5th Avenue while wearing a white hood and a swastika armband.

[pondwater]

It says that racism is not particularly high on Paul Ryan's list of voting issues.  I imagine he shares that attribute with many Trump voters.

However, what this really boils down to is that when an elected leader of the same party says "That's a textbook racist comment," you are still unwilling to accept it as racism.  So I doubt it would ever be possible to convince you of Trump's racism; when leaders of your own party don't meet your standard for burden of proof, that standard isn't going to be met by anything short of Trump shooting someone on 5th Avenue while wearing a white hood and a swastika armband.

My own party? Not sure what that means. I didn't vote for trump and I don't claim the Republicans as "my party". I align mostly with Libertarian views. And come to think of it, I didn't hear Obama denouncing the Black Panthers or calling terrorists members of radical Islam. I guess going by your logic, Obama was a radical Islamic loving Black Panther terrorist. Thanks for showing me how that works.

[DaLittle B]

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[Spider-Dan]

My own party? Not sure what that means. I didn't vote for trump and I don't claim the Republicans as "my party".

Yeah, you only vote for them.      Or are you saying that you're a third-party voter down the ballot?

Guess what?  I'm technically not a Democrat, either; I am registered as an independent.  So I guess we can both play this pointless game.

And come to think of it, I didn't hear Obama denouncing the Black Panthers or calling terrorists members of radical Islam.

Well, when you have Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi saying that something Obama said was the "textbook definition of a racist comment," then we can talk about apples to apples.

See, you reject any criticism from the opposing party, because of course they are going to call him racist.  But Paul Ryan isn't criticism from the opposing party; it's criticism from the SAME party. And it's not criticism from some liberal New Jersey Republican; it's criticism from one of the top two Republicans in Congress.  So why are you still rejecting it... outside of the fact that you just don't want to accept it?

[pondwater]

Yeah, you only vote for them.      Or are you saying that you're a third-party voter down the ballot?

Guess what?  I'm technically not a Democrat, either; I am registered as an independent.  So I guess we can both play this pointless game.

Who is them? You presume to know who I vote for. I've already told you on more than one occasion that I didn't vote for Trump. I agree with Republicans on certain issues, I agree with Democrats on certain issues, and on some issues I don't agree with either. In this case, I didn't support either candidate with my vote. Simply because neither candidate earned or deserved my vote. I am glad that Clinton didn't win. However, that in no way says that I endorsed Trump.
 

Well, when you have Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi saying that something Obama said was the "textbook definition of a racist comment," then we can talk about apples to apples.

See, you reject any criticism from the opposing party, because of course they are going to call him racist.  But Paul Ryan isn't criticism from the opposing party; it's criticism from the SAME party. And it's not criticism from some liberal New Jersey Republican; it's criticism from one of the top two Republicans in Congress.  So why are you still rejecting it... outside of the fact that you just don't want to accept it?

Accept what? I accept that Paul Ryan made some statements about your President. I didn't agree with those statements at the time, but the statements were made. So I'm not rejecting anything.

The part you're missing is that Trump isn't really a Republican. He only ran as a Republican because we basically have a two party system and you won't win unless you have a "D" or an "R" next to your name. He is an outsider and everyone was attacking him prior to the election so it really doesn't matter who called him what. You don't have to worry, the Waffen SS isn't coming for you Spider. The 3rd Reich isn't taking over the USA.

All of this is a moot point anyhow. Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, he is your president and will be until his term is up, he is impeached, or he somehow dies. And in the case of the last two scenarios, you will then get Pence. And if that happens you will then focus your "he's a racist" chant towards him.

[Phishfan]

Even when Obama was in office, people couldn't genuinely been opposed to his policies. The left either implied or directly said that people on the right who opposed Obama was because, "they hate black people". It's the same tired old game the liberals always play. Everyone who disagrees with them is a racist.

That is because many of them were racist. I personally know three people, all over the age of 60, who had never registered to vote in their lives. All three openly used the N word and told me they did not want a black president. I'd wager good money that these are not the only three people in the country.

[CF DolFan]

That is because many of them were racist. I personally know three people, all over the age of 60, who had never registered to vote in their lives. All three openly used the N word and told me they did not want a black president. I'd wager good money that these are not the only three people in the country.

Many people only voted for him because he was black. This goes for black people and then white people who feel guilty. Isn't this racism support?

Samuel-L-Jackson: 'I voted for Barack because he was black. 'Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them,' Mr Jackson told the magazine, according to the New York Post.

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[pondwater]

That is because many of them were racist. I personally know three people, all over the age of 60, who had never registered to vote in their lives. All three openly used the N word and told me they did not want a black president. I'd wager good money that these are not the only three people in the country.

I'm sure there were people that didn't like Obama because he was black. However, not anywhere near as many as the left made it out to be. I would wager to bet that a very large majority of people against Obama was because of his policies. Why? Because his administration and policies were shit.

[Spider-Dan]

It is difficult to accept your protests of false claims of racism when, as stated above, Trump says a judge isn't fit to preside over his trial due solely to his race and you guys still insist that isn't racism.

You say the left claims all (?) opposition is racist, but you won't call it racism even when the opposition is CLEARLY RACIST.  So where does that leave us?

[CF DolFan]

I think Trump says very stupid things but his actions throughout his life support the theory he isn't a racist. I think all people have some sort of racist view on certain things but they don't know that makes them racist. If so we are all racists.  Actions speak louder than words ... and that can go either way.

[pondwater]

It is difficult to accept your protests of false claims of racism when, as stated above, Trump says a judge isn't fit to preside over his trial due solely to his race and you guys still insist that isn't racism.

You say the left claims all (?) opposition is racist, but you won't call it racism even when the opposition is CLEARLY RACIST.  So where does that leave us?

It leaves us at the same place we started at when you posted this thread. Two sides that disagree.

[Cathal]

I think Trump says very stupid things but his actions throughout his life support the theory he isn't a racist. I think all people have some sort of racist view on certain things but they don't know that makes them racist. If so we are all racists.  Actions speak louder than words ... and that can go either way.

You're right. Most of us have some kind of racist bone in ourselves but we don't act out on them. Usually it's just laughing at jokes or something like that. Kinda harmless. But when you do something like pardon a law enforcement officer who racially profiles individuals, you kind of show who you support.